In this powerful episode, Lisa shares an unedited coaching conversation with Greg, an airline pilot who has significant wealth on paper yet still wakes up at 3 AM worried about money. This is context coaching in action—addressing the story problem, not the money problem.
What You’ll Hear:
- The “Just Enough” Identity Crisis Greg has substantial assets and multiple properties, but his relationship with money is still governed by childhood stories like “money doesn’t grow on trees.” Despite his financial success, he operates from scarcity and wakes up anxious about lack. This disconnect between his actual wealth and his emotional experience with money is more common than you might think among high earners.
- Context vs. Content Coaching in Action Rather than coaching Greg on budgeting or cash flow management, Lisa immediately identifies that this isn’t a money problem—it’s an identity problem. She coaches to the pattern underneath his words, not the surface-level content he’s presenting. This is the difference between treating symptoms and addressing root causes.
- Real-Time Transformation You’ll witness the exact moment Greg has a visceral reaction to Lisa calling him “wealthy” and how she uses that as a gateway to help him step into a new identity. Lisa introduces the concept of pattern interrupts and gives Greg specific homework to retrain his brain out of scarcity thinking.
The conversation reveals how Greg’s scarcity mindset isn’t just affecting his sleep—it’s preventing him from doing more good in the world. He and his husband have already established endowments at his alma mater, but his “just enough” identity keeps him from fully stepping into his role as a wealthy person who can create positive impact.
Lisa helps him see that holding onto lack mentality is actually a disservice to those who need him to show up in his full financial power. The shift from victim to steward of wealth becomes not just personal growth, but moral responsibility.
Lisa gives Greg specific assignments: calculate his total net worth and use that number as a pattern interrupt whenever scarcity thoughts arise. She also challenges him to define what wealth means for him personally and plan how he wants to give back from that place of abundance.
The homework isn’t about managing money better—it’s about managing his identity and relationship with wealth completely differently.
Why This Episode Matters
This isn’t theory or feel-good advice. It’s real coaching happening in real time with someone who has significant financial success but is still trapped by old stories. If you’re a high achiever who feels financially stressed despite your success, this conversation will show you exactly how those patterns operate and how to break free from them.
You’ll hear how quickly transformation can happen when you address the right problem. Greg doesn’t need more money—he needs to step into the identity of someone who already has more than enough.
Ready to examine your own money stories? Head tolisacarpenter.ca/wwm to apply for coaching and discover what’s really keeping you stuck.
TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:27:14
Lisa
Welcome to the Full Frontal Living Podcast. I'm Lisa Carpenter, master life Coach, two driven, ambitious humans who want more out of life without having to sacrifice themselves to achieve it. I'll share how it's possible to slow down, take better care of yourself, find more peace and ease, pressure to sustainable energy, stop procrastination and overwhelm and fall in love with your life, your business, and your body.
00:00:27:16 - 00:00:45:24
Lisa
This podcast is for you. If you're ready to learn what it takes to thrive as a high performer, do less but achieve more. Make you and your well-being a top priority and create your extraordinaire free life. I'm so glad you're here.
00:00:45:24 - 00:01:08:06
Lisa
Hey, hey. And welcome to another episode of the Full Frontal Living Podcast. I'm Lisa Carpenter. And today I'm doing something different. You're going to listen in on a real coaching conversation I had with Greg, an airline pilot, along with many other significant roles in the airline industry who gave me permission to share this with you. And here's what I love about this episode.
00:01:08:08 - 00:01:35:15
Lisa
Greg has significant wealth on paper, beautiful assets, multiple properties. Yet he's still waking up at 3 a.m. worried about money. Sound familiar? This is exactly what I mean when I talk about context coaching versus content coaching. Greg doesn't have a money problem. He had a story problem and you're going to hear me coach him out of his just enough identity and into recognizing he's actually wealthy.
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Lisa
This is context coaching in action and this is the coaching that I do day in and day out with my clients. I don't coach to the problem they present to me. I coach to the problem they actually have. And what unfolded with Greg was this beautiful shift from scarcity thinking into stepping into his wealth identity. So if you've ever found yourself successful on paper, but still operating from old stories about not having enough.
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Lisa
This episode is for you. You'll hear the exact pattern in drops and tools I gave Greg to shift this and honestly his vulnerability in this conversation was incredible. This is the first of many life coaching episodes I'll be sharing with you. So let me know what you think and if you're ready to examine the stories that are keeping you stuck, head to Lisa Carpenter dot c a forward slash WW m to apply for coaching today.
00:02:27:21 - 00:02:33:16
Lisa
All righty. Without further ado, let's dive into this powerful conversation with Greg.
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Lisa
I agree. Thanks. Hey, good morning. Today. So we're just going to have a conversation and I'll let you start. So what question do you have for me today? How can I help first?
00:02:45:18 - 00:03:24:15
Greg
First of all, thank you for taking time out for me. I, I am in currently a transformational coaching program. And it has been it has been a metamorphosis. And my my husband, Kevin, has definitely encouraged me because he's seeing the change. I mean, it's it is percolating everywhere. And that is pretty exciting. So I think my idea of just being and especially being a type-A personality, I'm an airline pilot by trade, but been in the industry for a very long time.
00:03:24:18 - 00:03:50:00
Greg
And so you kind of get wrapped up in wanting to control everything or control outcomes, leaving backup plans for every possible thing, recognizing that humans do make mistakes. I do make mistakes when I'm when I'm flying. It's just part of our part of our nature. And the question the issue is you want to make sure you're you're catching those mistakes and fixing them.
00:03:50:08 - 00:04:24:03
Greg
But that type A, solving all the problems at 35,000 feet, solving the problems of the world doesn't necessarily make for a good being. And so I've used this coaching as the opportunity to find peace of mind. And so I know I let you know in former messages that coaching the coaching that I've gotten and the peace of mind that I've gotten, I know that's priceless and I'm very, very grateful.
00:04:24:03 - 00:04:49:05
Greg
And so anything I can do to to give back, just forgetting that and being okay because I know the world right now, actually the world goes into these these ebbs and flows, and we saw it in the global pandemic. I'm in the airline industry. I I've experienced 911, I've experienced airline bankruptcies, financial downturns. I've seen this roller coaster happen.
00:04:49:05 - 00:05:27:14
Greg
A lot of the the more junior pilots I fly with have no concept of what this industry can do and what the economy can do. And so now that we're seeing more global turmoil and international travel may come to a halt, we don't know. I'm okay. I'm and that's that's a really nice place to be. The challenge I'm facing now and I kind of gave myself the flexibility to not come crashing into you coaches with with this.
00:05:27:17 - 00:05:54:26
Greg
One of the reasons that I've sought help is this idea of just enough ism. I do very well financially. Now. I didn't for a very long time grow up in a middle class household that heard all of the things like money doesn't grow on trees and we can't afford that and that's not us. All of that, just these amazing isms.
00:05:54:28 - 00:06:35:08
Greg
And now I'm I'm making more than most people in my country do. And so at the same time, I may have some assets, but golly, the cash flow is just dry as a bone. And so it seems like every time I bring cash in, it's just enough. It's always just enough. And so there's something there. I know from the coaching that that is an identity issue and that is something that I've sort of handcuffed myself to be in that space in the past.
00:06:35:08 - 00:07:03:23
Greg
I do remember staying up all night and worrying how was I going to pay the electric bill 29, 2010? Oh my gosh, how was I going to pay my rental property mortgages and pay for food for myself? I mean, just all of these things where it was just enough and that was 16 years ago, 15 years ago. And sometimes now I still feel like that.
00:07:03:26 - 00:07:04:25
Greg
And so that.
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Lisa
You're still working from just enough.
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Greg
Totally. Oh, yeah. And I'm and I'm not.
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Lisa
Is that a truth? Great Or is the truth is you're telling yourself.
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Greg
I think the story that I'm telling myself is I don't know why I'm allowing myself to get into these holes.
00:07:23:09 - 00:07:31:11
Lisa
Right. But the truth. Do you have just enough or do you have more than enough? What is the truth?
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Greg
You know, that's an interesting question, a an interesting vantage on it, because if I were to go into my bank accounts, it would feel like just enough. But if I were to look at my equity and assets and things I've acquired, oh my gosh, I mean, I have a beautiful house and a beautiful pool in Arizona. I mean, so so absolutely there's advantage.
00:07:58:10 - 00:08:13:07
Greg
So what is truth? What is the truth is how I feel. And that is it's sort of percolating where I'm feeling like I'm getting myself back into a hole. And I said I wasn't going to do that again.
00:08:13:08 - 00:08:21:07
Lisa
Right. But you're allowing yourself to because the data actually that you have, if you look at the data, you have more than enough.
00:08:21:09 - 00:08:52:09
Greg
Oh, absolutely. And I and I'm not even though my husband might argue with this, I don't feel like I have attachment to a rental property or things like that. I've I've let that go. I would say in my past I did I now they're just vehicles. They're they're I looked at my my rental properties. My being a landlord was oh, this is the the pension that I lost when my employer went into bankruptcy and, and dissolved that.
00:08:52:13 - 00:09:00:08
Greg
So so there was an attachment issue before. Now I'm like okay these are just tools to to go on.
00:09:00:10 - 00:09:03:21
Lisa
And ultimately, you know, you're going to be okay.
00:09:03:23 - 00:09:31:07
Greg
Absolutely. And that's the part of the of the coaching program I've experienced is I'm allowing myself to be in this feeling of, okay, But it seems like there are habits coming back. Like I get like a few nights ago I woke up in the middle of the night and this hasn't happened in a while, or all I could think about was lack.
00:09:31:09 - 00:09:47:14
Greg
And it and I the difference is now I can see what's going on. I can sort of be out of body and go, Oh, that's, that's me thinking in terms of worry and I don't need to worry. Everything's going to be fine.
00:09:47:16 - 00:09:49:17
Lisa
Because you have just enough.
00:09:49:20 - 00:10:01:15
Greg
Yeah, absolutely. And how you know, fear and fear and worry draining my power. How am I am? Is this a habitual thing that maybe that's the question. At the end of the day.
00:10:01:18 - 00:10:21:05
Lisa
What you're telling me is that you don't have a problem. Great. But you're making a problem. So. So in a pattern of believing I don't have enough, I don't have enough. I don't have enough. Which was maybe true back in the day. I remember those days where it was like I was robbing Peter to pay Paul.
00:10:21:08 - 00:10:22:27
Greg
Right? It feels like that right now.
00:10:22:27 - 00:10:45:17
Lisa
But the reality is today that when you look at the data, when you look at your investments, if you were to write down everything, all the assets that you had and you totaled them up and you kept that piece of paper in your wallet and you pulled that out, would that make you feel like you don't have enough or would that make you feel like you have more than enough?
00:10:45:20 - 00:10:56:19
Greg
It it would just I don't think it would make me feel either way. And that's a big change for me. You know, though, where I'm trying not to let it make me right.
00:10:56:19 - 00:11:07:12
Lisa
But what you're telling me is I feel like I don't have enough. And I'm asking you if you wrote all that down and you read it every day, would it allow you to feel like you have more than enough?
00:11:07:17 - 00:11:11:24
Greg
It would definitely allow that, right? I would allow myself to feel that.
00:11:11:24 - 00:11:33:26
Lisa
Correct. So it's a pattern. Interrupt to say, Greg, we're not playing this game anymore. We're not going to work from. I feel like I don't have enough because the reality is the truth is the data shows me I have more than enough. And if you needed to liquidate something to pay for something, you could. You may not want to do that, but that's the truth, right?
00:11:33:26 - 00:11:54:18
Lisa
So that's one state of of how you can shift what it is you're experiencing. Right. Because you can feel wealthy and have no money in the bank. Right? Businesses go through ups and downs where we have higher revenue years and lower revenue years even I've experienced that. But wealthy is a state of mind. It's a state of being.
00:11:54:18 - 00:12:11:28
Lisa
And when I'm operating from that place, I'm going to show up differently in the world. The same is true for you, so you can look at your bank account and be like, Wow, I don't like this. And there's a whole separate conversation there around like how you might be wanting to look at how you're managing your money differently.
00:12:11:28 - 00:12:30:19
Lisa
That's a whole other conversation. But first it starts from like, Can I be the person that holds that vibration of I have more than enough and I'm no longer going to play this game with myself. That is this voice that's telling me I don't have enough. Because when you feel like you don't have enough, what else does that lead to?
00:12:30:21 - 00:12:44:22
Lisa
Lack of sleep, anxiety, worry. So you're feeding an old story, an old version of yourself where you don't have any data that backs it up?
00:12:44:25 - 00:13:16:17
Greg
Yeah, well, and that's I think that confirms that I it felt like this was habitual. It wasn't. Yeah. And I, I found myself doing that and, but now I feel like I have more tools to say hey and thank you for saying pattern interrupt because I couldn't, I couldn't place what I, what exactly I needed to do to identify because I've been feeling that like, hey, but the put it in the wallet.
00:13:16:19 - 00:13:28:17
Greg
I can, I can see what what kind of equity assets I have. I just didn't understand. I just didn't know for sure. Was this me doing this or was it just like the old habit brain sucking?
00:13:28:20 - 00:13:37:12
Lisa
Sometimes you can get into overthinking, overthinking, overthinking. Right? Because when you have a problem, you've trained yourself to solve the problem.
00:13:37:14 - 00:13:38:04
Greg
Yeah.
00:13:38:06 - 00:13:45:19
Lisa
So it creates this like, level of overthinking, right? Whereas when it comes to having more than enough, you're not flying a plane. Nobody's life is at risk.
00:13:45:21 - 00:14:03:21
Greg
Right? Well, other than my meet my husband, I feel like and again, this is this is a story that he he's 100% disabled from the military. And so I'm a single breadwinner. And, you know, I think like, oh, I've got to make sure that, you know, all of that.
00:14:03:24 - 00:14:29:25
Lisa
So worry is a have it for sure. Worry is absolutely a habit. So when we are so for me, like I spent gosh, most of my life in the habit of worry over money and anxiety over money, right. Like money was my master. I was a slave to it. And the amount of time and energy I spent in anxiety worrying about money, which I couldn't control, that I couldn't.
00:14:29:27 - 00:14:56:29
Lisa
All I could be was responsible for where I was holding my thoughts, my energy, my feelings. And when we are retraining ourselves out of habits, it's the word that I like to use is being relentless. What is the story I want to tell myself? What is the truth? Right. So the truth is you are wealthy. The truth is you are wealthy.
00:14:57:02 - 00:15:09:22
Greg
And by the way, when you when you say that, I, I kind of get a just. That's hard for me to hear that right.
00:15:09:24 - 00:15:30:10
Lisa
That's part of the shift that is going on for you, is stepping into that identity of like, what does it feel like to allow myself to be a wealthy person? Because if you can't hold that for yourself, you're always going to go back to lack and scarcity because that feels familiar and comfortable. So this past weekend I was staying with a girlfriend.
00:15:30:17 - 00:15:49:11
Lisa
She has a puppy. Yeah, she's training the new puppy. Right? So the puppy had a collar on, right? One of those ones where you can like, give it just a gentle zapped to teach it. Right. And I was thinking about this. I'm like, Oh, God, this is such a metaphor for when we're training ourselves out of old habits.
00:15:49:14 - 00:16:02:00
Lisa
Because she must have told that puppy. I don't know how many hundreds of times place, right? That was to get it to go lie down on its bed. Place, place. Right. And zap, zap, zap, zap! Not it's not like a torturous thing, right? It's just.
00:16:02:00 - 00:16:03:19
Greg
No. And I know it's the vibration.
00:16:03:19 - 00:16:25:22
Lisa
For anybody who loves dogs. It's a it's a vibration thing. It's unfortunate. And I was thinking about, as humans, we're so hard on ourselves, like we get this awareness of something and then we think we should be able to master it like that. But the truth is, we have to continue to command ourselves over and over and over and over again until we get it.
00:16:25:25 - 00:16:52:06
Lisa
So that belief around I am wealthy, I am abundant, I have more than enough. It's being relentless in moving your attention back to that, in telling yourself that story over and over and over again and allowing yourself to see the data that proves it in my own life for so many years, I wanted success, I wanted wealth, I wanted abundance in my in my coaching practice.
00:16:52:08 - 00:17:19:11
Lisa
But I realized that it didn't matter what I did, didn't matter how many books I'd written, how many courses, how many people I'd coached. I refused to allow myself to be successful. And this is something I coach many of my clients around who built businesses, right? Like keep pushing for more and more and more. But that sense of success and fulfillment is never there for them because they always hold it at arm's length because they've put a definition around it that is unattainable, right?
00:17:19:11 - 00:17:50:21
Lisa
So even when we say wealthy, right, we're we just keep moving the bar as to what that is. I wrote, I am successful on my mirror and every single day I would read that phrase because there's nothing more powerful than an I am statement. And I would read it every day at least twice a day as I was brushing my teeth as a way to affirm to myself, This is the identity you're stepping into, Lisa, Because everything that you want to feel is on the other side of you feeling successful.
00:17:50:21 - 00:17:53:19
Lisa
First, the wealth, the abundance, everything.
00:17:53:20 - 00:17:54:13
Greg
Yeah.
00:17:54:15 - 00:18:14:00
Lisa
This is what's available for you. Great, right? You are wealthy. You have more than enough. So you either choose to allow your adult self to show up or the ten year old version of yourself who bought into your family stories. But that's not the truth of your life now.
00:18:14:00 - 00:18:41:12
Greg
It it isn't. And it's interesting that I could write I am successful over my mirror that because I have these ideas of what success looks like, right? Wealthy hasn't been one of them. That's been a four letter word. Right. And and so I and I have to tell you, talk about a pattern disconnect or pattern interrupt about ten years ago, ten plus years ago.
00:18:41:12 - 00:19:04:26
Greg
And I have I have very wealthy friends there. I mean, folks who were born into money, folks who built from from very little and are wealthy now. In fact, I've I've been in Coal Harbor on very large yachts before. So I've gotten to experience that. And I found myself about ten plus years ago saying, oh, I don't need to be wealthy.
00:19:04:26 - 00:19:26:11
Greg
I just need to have friends who are I mean, that actually came out of my mouth and it took a couple of years for me to sense that that that was pretty callous of me to to it. Like, it just it didn't it didn't mesh with how I felt about my friends. Like, it almost felt like I was using them.
00:19:26:11 - 00:19:34:29
Greg
I'm like, well, now I have to sit there and go, okay, interrupt that pattern and say it's okay for me to join the club. You know, I'm in.
00:19:34:29 - 00:19:40:04
Lisa
Wealthy friends because you are an energetic match for wealthy friends.
00:19:40:06 - 00:19:45:17
Greg
I didn't understand that. I didn't recognize that. And so thank you for that.
00:19:45:20 - 00:20:11:08
Lisa
So here's the kind of homework I'm going to give you. It'll be fun. Let it be fun. You're going to pull out all your assets and you're going to get to like one master total amount. You're going to write that total amount of what your what, your what not you personally are worth. Right now, all your assets are worth that piece of paper and that's going to be your pattern interrupt.
00:20:11:10 - 00:20:35:00
Lisa
And every time this story, this voice, this inner child of yours, whatever it may be, comes up and wants to tell you that you don't have enough, you're going to look at that number you to say, Greg, stop it. I'm wealthy. We have more than enough. Everything is fine and you're going to carry on with your life and you're going to do that over and over and over, just like stop in the dog place.
00:20:35:03 - 00:20:36:25
Greg
Place. I know I was going to say that earlier.
00:20:36:28 - 00:20:43:11
Lisa
And it's so second nature to you that that is where you're working from.
00:20:43:14 - 00:21:10:12
Greg
And I love it. And I the irony of saying place is that's where much of much of the equity is in place AS So, yeah, I love that. I will definitely do that. And I'm interested in the follow on conversation about cash flow management because that's one thing you know, I have an MBA. I mean, I've gone to school, I understand what cash flow and top line and all of this is.
00:21:10:14 - 00:21:43:23
Greg
And yet and I've been operating getting the personal as if it were a business recognizing and it's just as I told a mutual friend of ours I've just gotten we've gotten overextended that the I the plans that I had made they didn't work out exactly. And timing didn't work out exactly. And so I find myself today overextended, much like thinking, oh, this is not going to happen again.
00:21:43:27 - 00:21:49:02
Greg
But it is. That has happened again. And that's okay because we have more than enough.
00:21:49:04 - 00:22:12:02
Lisa
You have more than enough. And this is a thing so many people don't have really solid habits around money, like really smart people, even people with a lot of money don't have really solid habits around money because a lot of this stuff wasn't taught. I mean, I believe that I couldn't be smart with money because I wasn't smart with math, which math really has nothing to do to deal with it.
00:22:12:02 - 00:22:31:26
Lisa
Right. But it was really looking at my habits and behaviors around how I dealt with money. And when you're working from that story of I don't have enough, well, when you don't have enough, you don't take care of stuff. Correct. But when you have more than enough, you have to learn how to be responsible with it.
00:22:31:28 - 00:22:33:24
Greg
That's that's a really good point.
00:22:33:26 - 00:22:47:25
Lisa
So it's interesting to see how that story is playing out in how you you tend to your everyday finances. Because if the story is I don't have enough, you're going to continue to perpetuate that and you're not going to have the habits in place that allow you to have more than enough.
00:22:47:28 - 00:22:51:11
Greg
And it sounds like a procrastination excuse.
00:22:51:14 - 00:23:17:02
Lisa
A little bit, right? So you can have a a plane full of people, you feel responsible enough to fly a plane full of people around the world. You're never going to convince me that you're not going to be responsible enough to really take ownership of your money and make it work for you and have it grow in the way you want it to.
00:23:17:02 - 00:23:40:24
Lisa
So you're not just feeling wealthy and abundant with your assets, but you're really have command over your daily money coming in, money going out because money's energy, it's meant to flow. We're not meant to trap it. But if you looked at your relationship with money as a whole, if money was a person, how would you describe that relationship?
00:23:40:27 - 00:23:46:11
Greg
Are almost at sun, someone I. I don't want to get to know.
00:23:46:13 - 00:23:48:05
Lisa
Okay.
00:23:48:07 - 00:23:51:00
Greg
Some someone I don't want to be close to.
00:23:51:03 - 00:24:10:00
Lisa
So it's hard to have a healthy relationship with somebody that you're always pushing away. Yeah, right. So is it that you don't have enough money coming in or is it that on an unconscious level you're always pushing it away? And what would need to change in that relationship for you to want to get to know money, for you to want to be in a healthy relationship with it?
00:24:10:03 - 00:24:42:23
Greg
I well, I think when recognizing that when you said that I am wealthy and I had a visceral response, I'm sure you saw my body language when when you said that and just kind of going, hey, you know, that's that's that doesn't have to be I can I can still be the amazing person I want to be. And I think I am and still be wealthy that they're not they're not they're not opposed.
00:24:42:25 - 00:24:47:12
Greg
Because, again, I have a lot of amazing friends who are wealthy.
00:24:47:14 - 00:25:09:00
Lisa
And that, you know, it's interesting that you say that because so many people have stories around what they believe. Wealthy people are greedy, arrogant, like you name it. And we never want to be that. So we will repel the thing that we don't want to be. But Greg, I haven't even known you that long. And none of those things, none of those labels could ever apply to you.
00:25:09:03 - 00:25:22:27
Lisa
Yeah, good people can be wealthy people. Good people can be great stewards of their money. And what happens is when great people become great stewards of their money, they do great things with their money.
00:25:22:29 - 00:25:51:26
Greg
And so can I. Can I share one of those anecdotes 100%? And, you know, maybe this is part this might be driving that. Just the cognitive dissonance here, because we set up two endowments at my alma mater for students, and we just found out that the first student to get a scholarship, a flight scholarship, was named a few months ago.
00:25:51:28 - 00:26:18:15
Greg
And, you know, that was a big deal for us to get get those endowments set up. And it wasn't cheap. And we worked to get there was there was a daily command of finances to make sure that that happened and so poor. And we didn't do it for the recognition. It's it's I'm not the name on the building kind of person that that doesn't push me.
00:26:18:15 - 00:26:39:25
Greg
It's what pushes me is helping helping students to get their dreams because I was helped, right? I got where I am today because of folks who who had those endowments. And so as I feel today that the cash flow is not where I want it to be or where I thought it where it should be. And again, that's another story.
00:26:39:25 - 00:26:41:09
Lisa
Where it can be.
00:26:41:12 - 00:27:02:22
Greg
Where it can be the it almost feels like, oh, that person who set up those endowments, they're not the same person right now. And so I'm almost there's almost a guilt of, hey, I need to do better than this because I want to do more thing. I want to do more great things because we have the means to do that.
00:27:02:24 - 00:27:26:13
Lisa
Absolutely right. So you see, by keeping yourself in this lack and scarcity mentality, by not stepping into this, you're actually doing such a disservice to the people who need you to show up, who may never be in the financial position you're in. Right. Like I take growing my company and growing my wealth as a high priority because I know what I do with my wealth.
00:27:26:13 - 00:27:47:08
Lisa
And when people come into a coaching container with me, I want to know that that money is flowing out into the world and doing good things. Yeah, right. Like that is my responsibility. So I hope that you're understanding now that it is actually your responsibility to step into your wealth.
00:27:47:10 - 00:27:51:20
Greg
That's like it's my responsibility to land the plane you're on safely.
00:27:51:20 - 00:28:08:02
Lisa
Yes, please. Yes. As somebody who's on a lot of planes, you know, I always have that. Like every single flight, I'll have that moment of like, oh, my God, I'm up in the air in a tin can. And then I just every time I just have to surrender and hand it over.
00:28:08:05 - 00:28:10:15
Greg
Don't worry. It's a plastic can. Now the plastic.
00:28:10:15 - 00:28:26:05
Lisa
Can I just surrender and hand it over because there's nothing that I can do, right. Like once I'm buckled into my seat, which I also think is kind of funny because I'm like, I don't know if the seatbelts can go, but it is really a surrender and handed over. But I'm the one who chose to put myself in that position.
00:28:26:08 - 00:28:49:19
Lisa
Right? And this is the thing in life, as you've learned, we have choice over so many things. And I personally believe that that when you really understand how much freedom you get from personal responsibility, it will change your life. When you really become responsible for your money for what you want to create in your life for all of it.
00:28:49:21 - 00:28:51:24
Lisa
So much changes.
00:28:51:27 - 00:29:25:29
Greg
You're talking to somebody who got put in the quicksand of victimization victim mentality and allowed allowed that to to be part of my life for so long. And and I. I 2019 that's when I said enough is enough, you know. And so, yes, the personal responsibility piece the were or you may have heard I were building a garage, a detached garage and it has been hell.
00:29:26:01 - 00:29:52:08
Greg
And at the end of the day though, we're the ones who hired the general contractor. Yeah. And you know, the response, the buck stops here. And and so you sit there and go, okay, yeah, it's painful. It's taking time away from other things, like my finances, my managing finances, the the ends will justify the means. And this was my choice.
00:29:52:11 - 00:30:03:06
Lisa
Well, here's what you're not going to like to hear, Greg. You're not taking responsibility for your finances and you being in this place of not enough. That's still your victim's story.
00:30:03:08 - 00:30:06:23
Greg
I gotcha. No, I mean, I think that's a habitual thing.
00:30:06:23 - 00:30:23:13
Lisa
I remember being a victim of yourself. Yeah. And this is why personal responsibility is so hard for people, because it really requires taking an honest and, like, radical honesty with yourself.
00:30:23:15 - 00:30:49:08
Greg
But Lisa, my former self would have been really pissed off that you said that. But you notice that I'm I owned it and that that that tells me that that decision back in November of 2019 October November 2019 to stop being in that victim mode while doesn't mean that that that habit pattern because I was in it for a very long time and it was a very negative place.
00:30:49:08 - 00:30:55:04
Greg
Yeah, I me since you've been in it, I have friends who've never been in it and.
00:30:55:08 - 00:31:10:24
Lisa
Oh, everybody's got a victim, okay? Everybody's got a victim. They just often don't present like the victim, but some of them are some of the strongest, most powerful people that you know are running victims stories.
00:31:10:26 - 00:31:38:21
Greg
Thank you. And I'm kind of open book. So I, I laid it out there for people and maybe that just made it more that vulnerability made it more painful because people could pick at it as they wanted. And I picked at it as I wanted. I own that. And you're you're absolutely right. That is the financial part. Nobody owns it for me.
00:31:38:26 - 00:31:51:21
Greg
And and and that's okay as long as I acknowledge it and and can do better. And I know that successful people like you have been through it, too, and come out on the other side.
00:31:51:24 - 00:32:01:20
Lisa
This is exciting because now you get to work on possibility, right? That's what personal responsibility does. It actually opens up like, Oh, what is possible for me if.
00:32:01:23 - 00:32:24:22
Greg
This was my life as a young person, by the way, you know this I had this I felt this when I was in my late teens and early twenties. I know what this feels like. And I created an amazing world for a kid who didn't have much financially. I had a hell of a lot of resources that came my way.
00:32:24:25 - 00:32:46:18
Greg
And then life happened and I allowed life to take I out things around me to take that idea of possibility away that it's so awesome to to not it's so awesome to be back in that 19 year old mentality, but with all of these resources at my fingertips.
00:32:46:20 - 00:33:03:28
Lisa
So here's what else will add to you writing that one big number that you're going to use as a pattern interrupt. I'd love for you to sit down either by yourself or with your husband and make some decisions about the places in the ways that you want to be able to give back as you step into your wealth.
00:33:04:00 - 00:33:24:14
Lisa
Because money loves direction, it loves purpose, and it makes it so much easier when you're setting up your, you know, for lack of a better term goals. But when you're stepping into the like the messy responsibility of cleaning things up to have like this is this is what we're doing it for. This is in part what we're doing it for and allowing yourself to give back.
00:33:24:14 - 00:33:49:26
Lisa
And also, what are the things that you and your husband would want to do and be with that wealth? Because you get to enjoy it, too. You know, I just challenged a client today. She's this was a client who when we started working together, she couldn't take any time off. And now she's booking like, you know, she'll come to my retreat and then she'll go off for like another four weeks and travel around the world and then come home.
00:33:49:28 - 00:34:20:14
Lisa
And I challenged her today to, you know, because she's like, I need someone to go with me on this trip because I can't justify me doing these private tours that she wants to do. And I said, what would need to change for you to be that woman who's allowed with that level of success to be in your life, that you book the private tours and you don't need anybody else and you spend the money and you allow yourself to have that and not need to justify it.
00:34:20:16 - 00:34:21:19
Greg
Yeah, I love it.
00:34:21:21 - 00:34:33:10
Lisa
Right. So that's that's available for you too, Greg. So tell me before we end this call, feel like you've gotten what you need. What are your biggest takeaways?
00:34:33:12 - 00:35:15:24
Greg
Pattern interrupt, for sure. Recognizing that that it is something that's habitual and it to at least recognize that it's part of it. It goes back to storytelling and that what's true. I think you do tend to do a good job in saying, hey, what's what's true here? What's what's the story? And so there are a lot of stories going on the the the homework of writing that number and just doing that panicked pattern interrupt is the stop it flashcard for me.
00:35:15:24 - 00:35:46:08
Greg
I love that. And then, you know, money loves direction that I think I wrote that down because for a long time I didn't know how to do that. And I, I would sit there and see friends of mine who who did but direction toward what they were doing. And so I was rudderless for a very long time. And so I've gotten a taste of that and I need to habitual ways that right.
00:35:46:10 - 00:36:09:28
Lisa
I love that. So write that number down and put it on sticky notes and, you know, kind of post it around your house. You don't have to put a dollar figure. So somebody walks in, they're like, Why is this number up? But posted in places where you can see it and really allow yourself to acknowledge that because it's really powerful when you see the data all the time, because it forces you to stop lying to yourself.
00:36:10:01 - 00:36:33:17
Greg
I agree. And I did a kind of an initial of that a couple of weeks ago, and it kind of scared me and just again, goes back to the, Hey, you are wealthy. I am wealthy. What does that mean? And there are always going to be people who have more than you have less than you. Absolute. That doesn't matter.
00:36:33:17 - 00:36:48:04
Greg
But the fact that you can create a flow that that direction of that of those funds and and change people's lives, that is because people did that for me. I want to do that. I want to give that back.
00:36:48:04 - 00:37:01:08
Lisa
Yeah, that's important to me, too. Yeah. Wealth is you get to define what it is for you. It's not measured against anybody else. And when you step into that, like, oh, wealthy can look and feel however I want it, for me, that's the game changer.
00:37:01:09 - 00:37:02:21
Greg
I love it.
00:37:02:23 - 00:37:05:26
Lisa
Thanks for joining me, Greg. It's a great conversation.
00:37:05:29 - 00:37:06:29
Greg
Thanks Lisa.
00:37:06:29 - 00:37:28:10
Lisa
Hey. Hey. Before you go, I'd like to ask you something. How much longer are you willing to put yourself last to keep pushing through, hoping things will magically change while feeling exhausted, overwhelmed, and disconnected from the life you truly want. Tell me if this sounds like you. From the outside. Most people think you have it all figured out.
00:37:28:15 - 00:37:49:08
Lisa
But the truth is that on most days you feel like you're barely holding it together. Your life is full of responsibilities and there's a high demand on your time and energy. You know you can't drop the ball yet. You're terrified it's going to happen. And worst of all, you're already taking the hit because you often end up at the bottom of your to do list.
00:37:49:10 - 00:38:22:15
Lisa
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00:38:22:17 - 00:38:49:04
Lisa
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00:38:49:04 - 00:38:56:24
Lisa
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