EPISODE 276: How Simply You Can Go From Stressed Out to Wellness with Dr. Rosie Khan

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Lisa
Welcome to the Full Frontal Living podcast. I'm Lisa Carpenter, master life coach to driven, ambitious humans who want more out of life without having to sacrifice themselves to achieve it. I'll share how it's possible to slow down. Take better care of yourself. Find more peace and ease. Create sustainable energy. Stop procrastination and overwhelm and fall in love with your life, your business and your body.

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Lisa
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Lisa
Hey. Hey listeners, thanks for tuning in to another episode of the Full Frontal Living podcast, and I brought a guest on today. Doctor Rosie Khan I feel very smart that I'm getting to talk to a doctor, and I'll tell you a story about that after, because you're going to laugh about that. Rosie. But I wanted to bring, Rosie on.

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Lisa
She's been a student inside one of the coaching programs that I help coach inside. So I've gotten to know her and gotten to know a little bit about her work. And she is a medical doctor based in the UK. Is that correct? And. Right. Now you've kind of moved away from traditional medicine into more of, coaching and hypnosis, like kind of these, I want to say, on the hairy fringe modalities, but they're not they're super powerful modalities.

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Lisa
It's just so much of the Western world is still stuck in this, like, old school medicine. And we're going to talk.

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Rosie
About how.

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Lisa
Women can manage their stress differently. And I want to hear about.

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Rosie
What.

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Lisa
Caused you to make that change into kind of like your own transformation, to move more away from traditional medicine and into.

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Rosie
Kind of.

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Lisa
These other modalities. I would love, though, to hear.

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Rosie
You.

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Lisa
Describe yourself. Like, how would you give your own bio, Rosie? And then talk us through your transformation in terms of like, what made you decide because you still are a practicing doctor, correct?

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Rosie
That's right.

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Lisa
Yeah, right. You're bridging both, which I really love, which I find super fascinating. So I want to hear your story about how you decided to bridge both why you felt that was important. So tell everybody who you are, what you do, how you help people have fun with that.

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Rosie
Oh, Lisa, honestly, it's so lovely to be here. I'm so happy that I get to spend some time with you. So as you said, I'm a GP. I think we call it a family physician in Canada, North America.

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Lisa
We do.

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Rosie
And I've been that for about 17 years, and it's been a job. I've been a tremendous privilege to be a GP to so many amazing patients, and I've loved it. But over the last few years I've become slightly disillusioned, if I'm being honest, because I don't know what it's like in North America and Canada. But in the UK, healthcare system is being eroded.

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Rosie
And now whenever I see a patient, I have ten minutes to consult with them. And that's the like writer of their notes and sort out a diagnosis and a treatment plan. And it's just not long enough. So I feel that the bits of medicine that I love, which is talking to the patients, really understanding them, that context, understanding, you know, what's going on, their family, their lives, what their belief systems are, all of that that has been eroded from general practice.

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Rosie
And now it's game in getting out. And and I was feeling very disillusioned, like I wasn't doing the best I could. That's my patients. So I wasn't, in a sense, healing them. I was just medicating. And, and so that's what led me really to start thinking about different ways in which I could help people, but still keeping my hand on medicine because I do love it.

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Rosie
So about ten years ago, I decided to do a course, hypnotherapy training, which I absolutely loved with the idea that I would set up my own business alongside the medicine. But if I'm being honest, I was in all the fear of being judged around what was, at the time, quite a fringe therapy. It was quite esoteric, and I was worried about what all my colleagues would say.

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Rosie
But yeah, it's taken me a long time to not worry about that. And then the coaching, because I've been in coaching containers for many years and it's helped me transform massively. And and that's what I want to do for the people, really.

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Lisa
So medicine is such an interesting topic. I was at a conference. Gosh, I've been all over. So I've been so many places. I'm like, where was I in the world? I was in Calgary at a conference, and there was a medical doctor who spoke on stage. And, he was really giving that behind the scenes of what it was like in the hospitals during Covid.

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Lisa
And it was fascinating to hear his perspective about what he was able to talk about, what he wasn't able to talk about, what he was seeing.

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Rosie
So the.

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Lisa
Truth of what was happening behind those doors.

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Rosie
Versus the.

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Lisa
The truth of what was being shared with us. And he really talked about as well, how healthcare is being eroded in Canada. So many people talk about, well, we have free healthcare. And I'm like, well, it's kind of like free sick care and hope that you don't get sick because that's all that's getting treated. And people can wait for a really long time for testing and diagnostics.

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Lisa
It's incredibly hard now to get it. I don't even have a GP anymore. So my medical plan for myself is don't get sick. Or if I get sick, you know, I'm just going to go to the emergency if it's something important. But other than that, I work with a naturopathic doctor and have really just taken responsibility for my own health and well-being well-being.

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Lisa
But I found the same when I had my GP. I mean, I'd had him for a lot of years, so he'd gotten to know me, but it was so quick, get in and out and it's like, no, I need you to see the big picture of who I am and how I work in the world and where I'm taking responsibility for things and, you know, needing your support on this.

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Rosie
He was.

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Lisa
Pretty good. But I know a lot of practitioners are not, and you guys don't have the time to really learn about your, your patients. And then the flip side is patients don't know very much about themselves.

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Lisa
Just what they're being told. Right. Like because in my opinion, and I would love to hear your thoughts on this, we're kind of being conditioned again to look for what's wrong and then how to fix what's wrong versus how to be responsible for taking care of our, our wellness. And again, I think we saw this all across the world during Covid because it was such a oh, it was such a massive opportunity to teach people about wellness.

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Lisa
Yet we were constantly fed this kind of fear mongering story instead of like, how we could have empowered people to create more wellness in their lives. So I'd love to hear, your thoughts on that.

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Rosie
Yeah. I think that's such an interesting point. I think that our model of healthcare in the UK has been a bit backward. It's always been about, let's just, let's wait until you get sick and then we're heal you. It's never really up until recently, never really been about prevention. And like, you're well right now, this is what you need to do to keep well.

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Rosie
These are the steps you need to take. But, there is an emerging specialty in the UK called lifestyle medicine. And it focuses solely on the six pillars of health. So it keeps its how to keep well basically and and prevent sickness. And I think that's, that's the model that is really going to make the difference, not just, you know, waiting till people are sick and then medicating them.

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Rosie
It's it's preventing that from happening in the first place.

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Lisa
And our, our people buying into.

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Rosie
This slowly but surely, there's a growing movement. But I think there's still a concept I think that people want, not want, but people are waiting until they get sick. You know, it's like that age old thing. I won't do anything about it. Life is so busy. Got other, factors that I need to focus on. And health, sometimes with some people comes quite low down on the list, especially if you're, you know, if you've got a very stressful life, if you're perhaps a single parent and you're working all the hours, you've always put yourself quite low down on that list.

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Lisa
So if we go back in time to doctors, way back when, who made house calls? I think that used to be like a thing. Right? Doctor was. But doctors were really partners with you in your wellness.

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Rosie
Yeah, it has changed. So even when I first started, which was, 17 years ago, we would do home visits. We would know the families, we would see patients continued, like to follow up, and we would get to know our patients really well. We would know whether the grandparent had died or with their uncles, sisters, brother was unwell.

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Rosie
You know, we'd have that entire context. But now the way health care is, that continuity has been lost. So we only see people episodically. Right? And they see a whole barrage of different doctors. We have to read the notes and try and figure out what's going on. But it's not like we really know our patients there, sadly.

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Lisa
So how does that change then? How you how you treat someone, how you approach someone knowing that you're just getting this like a little snippet of of who they are and how they live your life. How do you determine.

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Rosie

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Lisa
The questions that you need to ask a patient when they come in to see you?

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Rosie
Yeah, it's not satisfactory at all, but it's it's about looking back at their notes and seeing what other GP's are written or other healthcare professionals have written and trying to piece together, and then often asking the patient to go through that history all over again so that you can make sure you've got the right history, which when you've only got ten minutes and they've told their story 1000 times, it's very frustrating on both sides, actually.

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Lisa
And do you see patients coming in more now, just wanting you to fix the problem versus wanting to be responsible for actually taking care of their health?

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Rosie
It depends on the demographic that you're working with, but there is still a subset of the population that want very paternalistic care. So if I'm in my medical practice and I say, what do you think we should do? Or how would you like to move forward? I often get a lot of, well, you're the doctor, you tell me.

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Rosie
But then there's other subsets of very much in collaboration and partnership. Want to be involved in their own treatment plan, which is quite right. This is how medicine should be a collaboration between a healthcare practitioner and patient. But I think especially some of the older generation still look at doctors in a very paternalistic way. So yeah.

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Rosie
Yeah, it depends.

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Lisa
I see that with my parents. My mom is a nurse, so she's very like, you know, she went into nursing because she cares about people. I think all doctors and nurses like at the core of everything, they get into that profession because they want to help. They care about people. And I think we need to remember that. But she's just so bought into it, there's no more even questioning whether or not like, she just doesn't she doesn't question that question when the doctor says.

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Rosie

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Lisa
You know, my interpretation, she doesn't take a huge role in terms of.

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Rosie

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Lisa
Looking for other alternatives, like if this is what the doctor says she should take and this is what the doctor says she should do.

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Rosie
She should.

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Lisa
Do. Whereas I've said, you know, you know, mom, you get to be a partner in your own, just because they say this like you got to actually look at what are the other alternatives.

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Rosie
Is this.

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Lisa
The path you want to follow? But that's just that's just her generation. That was the way things were. And I think medicine over the years has really changed a lot to, of course, because, you know, we've got the giant pharmaceutical companies and the money and all that. So whether people want to look at it or not, it's it's a huge business.

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Lisa
So anyways, I could we could talk about this all day. We could go down all the rabbit holes of all that things. But the truth is we do need modern medicine. It plays a role. We can't just turn a blind eye to it.

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Rosie
It's it's.

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Lisa
Important. And that's why I wanted to chat with you. Because I love that you are bringing together different modalities.

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Rosie
To.

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Lisa
Support people in helping their overall wellbeing. So as you said, you know, back in the day, hypnotherapy was kind of this, you know, the guy in the auditorium who takes people up on stage and all of a sudden they're like quacking like ducks or whatever.

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Rosie
All right.

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Lisa
Yeah. The watch in front of your eyes. And I'm a board certified, hypnotherapy. I don't think we call ourselves hypnotherapist, but I'm certified in hypnosis, and that's not what it is at all. It's not like it's at all, but it's come a long way in terms of how people interpret it. But I still feel like in mainstream it's in its infancy.

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Rosie
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree, but I think it's changing actually. And I think that a lot of the studies coming out of Harvard's and Stanford and places like that, I think that people are now seeing it as a really bona fide way to start to heal themselves, actually, in a myriad of different ways. So we'll see.

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Lisa
Right. And I think this plays into the newer generations, whether it's, you know, my age or younger that are wanting a more holistic approach, and they're not just interested in taking the next pill powder potion to get them. Well, like they're actually looking at, you know, what's the role that I'm playing in being unwell? So I'd love for you to talk about that, because I know you work with a lot of, patients that are very similar to my clients are busy, ambitious, driven women and men, who've done a lot to get ahead in their lives.

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Lisa
But now they have the identity of the person who is so busy, and it does. Eventually it will impact people's health. So how are you helping people now using these modalities?

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Rosie
Yeah. So I think when it comes to sort of helping people is what my subspecialty is, is stress, stress management. That's what I really love to help people with. And as well as like, you know, keeping themselves well. But I think when it comes to stress management and healthy lifestyles, people are like coming in and saying, I don't have the time, to overhaul my entire life.

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Rosie
I don't have the energy, I don't have the time. It's not my priority. And I think what I really want people to understand is that it doesn't take a lot to start looking after your house doesn't take a lot to start feeling better. It takes a few small, consistent actions, which over time will compound to make you feel a little better.

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Rosie
And that's what I do of my coaching here with every practice is I sit down with these clients and and really talk to them about what's going on in their life, where the problems are originating from, and then trying to look at ways that we can improve, the issues that are causing the disease in their life, so to speak.

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Lisa
So when people hear the word stress management, what did they think that it means? Like when somebody walks into your practice and they're like, I need better stress management skills, what did they actually think it means versus how you see it?

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Rosie
Yeah, I mean, no one ever comes to me and says I need better stress management skills. Good to know. They come to me saying, oh, I'm having problems in my marriage, or I keep getting this recurrent symptom and it's been fully investigated and I don't know what's going on, or I have everything on paper, beautiful family, house, a job, and I still feel unhappy or I can't seem to release the weight no matter how healthily I'm eating or, you know, I've got digestive issues that I just can't, improve or sleep problems.

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Rosie
You know, they never come saying I'm stressed. It's it's we work towards making them understand that stress probably is impacting.

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Lisa
It's it's fascinating because, you know, back in the day, before I hit like full adrenal fatigue, which I know isn't really a medical diagnosis. I understand that, right. But we understand what it is, right? It's pretty much burnt out. Your body is like, I'm done with you. If you had asked me if I was stressed, I would have said, no, I got it, I got it all under control.

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Lisa
And that's a big thing around stress, is that so many people that are impacted by high stress, they've started to tell themselves the story that they actually thrive off of that. And the truth is they've got nothing else to measure it against. They've been running at that speed for so long. So when these other things start to show up in their lives, they don't even recognize it's because they're operating at such a high level.

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Lisa
Like, I remember one of my coaches saying to me, like, you need to lower the bar on the expectations you have for yourself, Lisa. And I was like, why would I want to lower the bar? Like I'm trying to raise the bar? Like, do you know me? Like, what are you talking about? They told me I needed to slow down.

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Lisa
I remember one practitioner, at one point in time told me that I should give up weight training and start swimming, and I started to cry on the table. I'm like, that's not exercise. Like, what are you talking about? Because that, like, that's how much my identity was attached to all the things I was doing, but nothing else in my life was working.

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Lisa
It didn't matter how much I did, nothing worked. And it really wasn't until, you know, life kind of handed me some amazing gifts. Life left me and handed me some amazing.

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Rosie
Gifts.

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Lisa
That I really went down the rabbit hole into coaching and then into hypnosis. The things started to change. I didn't understand how much, our subconscious mind and the stories that we've been telling ourselves since we were little impact us. So I would love for you to share more about, hypnotherapy, how it works, what it's actually about that nobody's going to crack like a doc.

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Lisa
I've never felt like I needed to crack like a duck any time I've been in. And Bill says.

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Rosie
Can you can.

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Lisa
You tell the listeners like what this actually looks like when you're working with someone in.

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Rosie
Hypnosis? So hypnosis is really just a way of creating a deep state of relaxation. That's all. Hypnosis. It's it's the hallmarks are a slower heart rate. Maybe your blood vessels dilate a bit, your breathing slows down. It's your parasympathetic nervous system is really in control here. You're very rested and relaxed. And it's almost like that. If you imagine sort of being in a stage between sleep and wake, that's that's what hypnosis is.

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Rosie
Or sometimes if you're driving the car and you've done the same route day in, day out, and suddenly all of a sudden you are at home and you're like, I don't even know how it got home. You were kind of in waking hypnosis that your conscious mind completely zoned out. And so that's what hypnosis is. So what happens is that we induce the stage of hypnosis.

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Rosie
We typically ask you to close your eyes, and then we talk to you, and we, typically deepen you into a state of relaxation. And then from there, your subconscious mind is very open to suggestion. So that's when we plant in positive suggestions such that say, you know, he wants to eat healthily. It would be you enjoy eating healthily.

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Rosie
You you crave to eat fresh whole grain foods. You drink water it positive suggestions in alignment with whatever it is that you want. If someone were to make a suggestion that your subconscious didn't want to take on board, then it just wouldn't. It's not like I'm going to be ever able to make you do anything. If you don't want to go to hypnosis, I would never be able to have that level of control and make you go under or into hypnosis.

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Rosie
So you're fully in control all the time. But it's just a way of quieting your conscious mind so that your subconscious, we can really talk directly to your subconscious.

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Lisa
And what are the results you're seeing in your patients that you're working with, doing hypnosis around their stress levels? What changes for.

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Rosie
Them? Well, I just I don't need hypnosis in my medical practice. I need it in my coaching practice at the moment. That's, Yeah. No. So people are feeling just generally relaxed. So the actual act of hypnosis is very relaxing. So people will come just to have hypnosis for that hour or so of deep relaxation. But in between and over time, it's different for everybody.

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Rosie
People are reporting that they just generally feel calmer, more able to cope with the life's ups and downs and hypnosis as something that we do called ego based or ego strengthening, and it just helps people to feel that they can manage in a much better, calm, positive way. So although nothing really changes externally, they're just able to better manage their stresses, right?

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Lisa
Yeah, it's really powerful. You know, after years of getting knocked around in my business, I worked with, because you can do, like, self-guided hypnosis, two, self-guided hypnosis. And it was around resilience because I just felt so beaten down. And this whole hypnosis was just about I don't even remember all the things he said, but it was it was literally like, you can keep going.

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Lisa
Like, you can do this. You have the, you know, you have the courage to.

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Rosie
To.

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Lisa
Keep pulling up your bootstraps. And I swear to God that hypnosis changed so much for me. I mean, I've used hypnosis for pretty much everything. Everything? Yeah. Because I've always kind of worked from the place of, well, I'm just going to throw everything at it, because if I've got this problem and I know that so much of it is coming from my subconscious mind, I want to be an active player in my healing so that I can move forward.

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Lisa
And I think that that's, you know, where hypnosis can be so powerful for so many people, but they're not tapping into it because, again, they're still often looking for conventional medicine to fix the wrong problem. Right? Like I often say, like the problem is you. Or maybe that's Taylor Swift. She says the problem is you, but the problem is me.

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Lisa
What is the song? You know what? I'm. You know what I'm talking about, right?

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Rosie
I think so, yeah.

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Lisa
It's a great it's a it's a great, it's a great lyric, but, so are you going to work on or are you even legally allowed to bridge the coaching and the hypnosis.

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Rosie
With.

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Lisa
Being a GP, or do these things have to remain separate?

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Rosie
I mean, it is in the UK, it's very blurred. It would have to be separate. Unfortunately, I couldn't go into my NHS practice and start doing hypnosis on my patients. Right. It's just the way it is right now. But, who knows, things might change, in the future? I hope so, because the whole point is I want my patients to feel empowered, right, to to to be in charge of their own health, their own healing, and to find alternative ways, not just rely on pharmaceuticals to to improve their health or improve their symptoms.

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Rosie
I'm not just saying hypnotherapy. So empowering. It can be done pretty much any time, any place doesn't take long and it compounds over time. And the more you you listen to self-hypnosis audios or practice self-hypnosis, the better you get at it and the better results you'll get. And I just think that the something that is, very, very limited side effects, it's a very safe therapy.

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Rosie
It's, Yeah.

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Lisa
I think I've yet to find a downside with hypnosis. Right. Like, what's the downside of sitting in a chair for ten, 15 minutes? Or you can lie down, although I fall asleep if I lie down, so I tend to stay sitting up. There's no there's no downside. Especially if you or somebody who is dealing with a very, very busy life.

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Lisa
It's are you willing to be committed to yourself for 20 minutes a day? And it's not meditation, right. So people have things around meditation, but the way that I look at hypnosis is it's an act of therapy. Whether you're working with a practitioner or you're sitting on your own, you are actually doing something. So if you are a doer and you don't want to, oh, I don't want to waste my time.

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Lisa
You're not wasting your time. You're actually doing something during that time. You're in hypnosis, right? Because, you know, people have a hard time meditation. Like, what is that going to do? And I'm reflecting back on an old version of me that was like.

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Rosie
Who the hell.

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Lisa
Has time to sit in silence? Why would you want to do that? Like, I've come a long way.

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Rosie
Changed a lot.

00;25;07;13 - 00;25;29;07
Lisa
So if somebody was super stressed out and they came to you, they're having problems in their marriage. They're having these weird symptoms. And you're going to work with them on, you know, doing hypnotherapy and coaching. What are some of the strategies that you're going to give them that they can take out into their regular life? Because the listeners these are these are the same type of people that I have on my podcast.

00;25;29;10 - 00;25;31;12
Rosie
So give them some.

00;25;31;12 - 00;25;34;09
Lisa
Strategies that they can work with.

00;25;34;12 - 00;26;00;29
Rosie
Yeah. So I developed the female system, which I think, basically the the pillars that underlie sort of stress management and female stands for the F is the food and hydration is the exercise of recovery, which is sleep. M is the mindset, a is the actualization. Our is the letting go of unhelpful behaviors, and E is enriching relationships.

00;26;01;01 - 00;26;13;21
Rosie
And I think that if we're able to focus on all of these areas and make small changes in each of these areas, people generally tend to feel a lot better, a lot quickly, a lot more quickly, a lot more great way. That's amazing.

00;26;13;23 - 00;26;17;03
Lisa
Okay, so talk us through each. Talk us through each one.

00;26;17;03 - 00;26;18;23
Rosie
So people listening.

00;26;18;23 - 00;26;23;16
Lisa
Here like food and food and hydration. It's kind of a baseline.

00;26;23;18 - 00;26;57;08
Rosie
Yeah I mean this is your back Lisa. Like but you know the how the food the stress there are direct correlations between the two. So it is just about being it's just about being sensible. Following a mediterranean diet I kind of always promote whole grains, mostly plant based lean protein. Decreasing UPF, ultra processed food, trying to get rid of sugar as much as possible, limiting refined carbohydrates, cutting out the alcohol, and the water, water and hydration.

00;26;57;08 - 00;27;16;19
Rosie
Our brain is 70% water. So you know why you need to drink? Because if your brain is not in good health, then you won't be able to come back. So if you won't be able to be resilient and face life stresses. So I recommend about 500 meals for every 15kg of body weight. That's what you should be aiming for daily.

00;27;16;19 - 00;27;34;19
Lisa
You drink about and drink about three liters of water a day. Because I also know that one of the biggest symptoms of dehydration is fatigue and a lot of fatigue. I'm tired. They're not well, most of the times they're not sleeping enough either. But then they're compounding it because they're so dehydrated and they don't even realize they're dehydrated.

00;27;34;19 - 00;27;39;19
Lisa
So, you know, if you are thirsty, you're already dehydrated. You should never be thirsty.

00;27;39;21 - 00;27;54;00
Rosie
Yeah. If you've got a if you're thirsty, cracked lips and you're way more than 3% dehydrated already and you know that. Yeah, it's my favorite hand is drinking water because it's cheap. It's simple, it's easy and it's so impactful.

00;27;54;02 - 00;28;15;09
Lisa
And that's the thing. You know, like being well, being a well person doesn't have to be complicated. But we make it complicated. And, you know, the simplest things can change your life. So even if we talk about exercise, right, it doesn't need to be 90 minutes in the weight room and another, you know, 60 minutes a car, you could go for a walk.

00;28;15;09 - 00;28;30;29
Lisa
I mean, when I was, Spain, I didn't train at all except for once. And the one time I trained, I did post it, but that was the only time I actually like physically trained. Otherwise it was just walking. And I felt amazing just walking. Granted, it was a lot of walking.

00;28;31;06 - 00;28;31;27
Rosie
So.

00;28;32;00 - 00;28;40;03
Lisa
Exercise does not have to be. It just has to be something that you enjoy. It can be turning on music and dancing in your living room for 30 minutes.

00;28;40;05 - 00;29;06;22
Rosie
And this is really interesting research on this because exercise I love I love talking about the brain and brain health and exercise, creates the synthesis of this protein called brain derived neurotrophic factor. So I love your DNF, but you know for sure. And it helps, promote brain. So, it helps make brain cells essentially, and it helps with brain function.

00;29;06;25 - 00;29;28;24
Rosie
And when you have low levels of BDNF, you can get quite depressed or have, mental health disorders. And they found that if you do exercise of a particular intensity but you don't enjoy it, you still make body data. It's still beneficial for you. But if you choose an exercise of the same intensity that you enjoy, you make even more BDNF.

00;29;28;24 - 00;29;39;19
Rosie
Wow. So it seems that doing exercise that you enjoy is far more beneficial to brain health than it is to do just exercise. That feels like a slog, right? So yeah.

00;29;39;23 - 00;29;45;07
Lisa
That's got to be true in all areas of life too. When we do more of the things that we actually love.

00;29;45;09 - 00;29;45;15
Rosie
It.

00;29;45;15 - 00;29;59;27
Lisa
Makes us healthier individuals. And I mean, I see people all the time, as I'm sure you do in your practice, doing things that they don't really want to be doing because they don't know how to be doing the things they want to be doing. And that, you know, that takes on hinging as well. Okay. So we've covered.

00;30;00;00 - 00;30;00;19
Rosie

00;30;00;21 - 00;30;06;18
Lisa
Food and water and extra exercise and then mindset. Let's talk about mindset.

00;30;06;25 - 00;30;32;07
Rosie
Yeah I mean mindset is a big one because what's that. That is that quote. Isn't that the, the greatest weapon against stress is our ability to choose one thought over another. Say I think William James said that. So yeah. So it's really looking at your thoughts, your beliefs and really changing those stories up to, to think more supportive thoughts and stories really.

00;30;32;09 - 00;30;34;13
Rosie
And that's what we go into a mindset. Yeah.

00;30;34;13 - 00;30;49;29
Lisa
It's fascinating because, you know, you've been inside gym for program for a long time. We do a values exercise in there, do some values exercises with my clients as well. And so many people are in there to change their health and well-being. Right? A lot of people are in there to change their money in their business. Like we've got.

00;30;50;01 - 00;30;50;14
Rosie
So many.

00;30;50;14 - 00;30;51;11
Lisa
Different people doing different.

00;30;51;11 - 00;30;52;01
Rosie
Things.

00;30;52;03 - 00;31;04;15
Lisa
And when it comes to the values exercise, usually health, wellness, well-being, it doesn't even land in people's top ten yet. They tell us they've been spending, you know, the last two decades of their.

00;31;04;15 - 00;31;05;20
Rosie
Life focusing.

00;31;05;20 - 00;31;15;15
Lisa
On losing weight or whatever. And that's around the mindset, right? Like they don't actually hold the identity of being a healthy, well person. And if you don't hold that identity.

00;31;15;21 - 00;31;16;09
Rosie
You won't.

00;31;16;09 - 00;31;37;27
Lisa
Be a healthy well person. That's a big part of shifting from this. Like overdoing stressed out, spinning all the plates type of person into saying, okay, well, what does it really look like for me to be a well person? How do I need to start changing how I think instead of I have to exercise because you don't you don't.

00;31;37;27 - 00;31;59;05
Lisa
Nobody has to exercise. I mean, I personally think we're designed to move. But we get to yeah, we get to exercise, we get to choose what we eat. We get to choose how we drink. We get to choose the people we spend time with. So your mindset around your wellbeing is so, so important. So where do you start people with that?

00;31;59;05 - 00;32;04;06
Lisa
That's kind of part of where hypnosis plays into all of this as well. Correct?

00;32;04;09 - 00;32;33;00
Rosie
Yeah. So that's what I love that the combination, the coaching, the hypnosis a coach and really figure out what identity do you want to adopt once you've adopted that identity, what kind of actions as a person with that identity, do you know? And then once we decide what actions that this person wants to take in order to achieve that outcomes, then that's where the hypnosis is really helpful, because then you can put people into hypnosis and and basically create habits to support them and achieving their goals and actions.

00;32;33;00 - 00;32;36;11
Rosie
So the two together I think is just a beautiful combination.

00;32;36;11 - 00;32;40;27
Lisa
Oh, man. Way more powerful than what is it? Oh, Zampa. Is that the new us like one.

00;32;40;28 - 00;32;43;18
Rosie
Yeah. Let's unpack when John.

00;32;43;20 - 00;32;47;20
Lisa
Good Lord, there's always something. Okay. And what was the A for.

00;32;47;22 - 00;33;11;03
Rosie
A was for actualization. So finding purpose living in alignment with our values. Because I think when there's a disharmony there then you got it's hard to be truly truly at peace and happy. So I did a lot of reading around. Martin Seligman, I think he divides the coined the term the meaningful life. And then when you're living in alignment with purpose and money, then you have a meaningful life.

00;33;11;06 - 00;33;27;23
Lisa
And that's challenging for a lot of people to find. Right? Because we've grown up in the society of like, you just tick the boxes, right? You meet the person, you have the kids, you get the job, you know, you go to school, you get the job. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And then people, you know, hit their late 30s, early 40s and they're like.

00;33;27;23 - 00;33;28;07
Rosie
Oh.

00;33;28;11 - 00;33;36;19
Lisa
Whoa, I've done all the things, yet I don't feel like I have purpose or direction or I thought this was going to feel different.

00;33;36;22 - 00;33;36;28
Rosie
And.

00;33;36;28 - 00;33;47;28
Lisa
That's when things start to get really disruptive because you, you know, you start to wake up to how things can be different in your life. But then it's like, well, how do I get from point A to point B?

00;33;48;01 - 00;34;06;18
Rosie
Yeah, when you've created this lifestyle that you need to maintain and it's very hard to step out of the status quo at that stage. I think a lot of people that I see, that's what they come to me with. And like, I don't understand why I'm not happy. I have everything on paper. Everything looks great from the outside, but inside this to something.

00;34;06;24 - 00;34;10;19
Rosie
Yeah. And that's why that work is actually quite valuable.

00;34;10;21 - 00;34;36;21
Lisa
That's where a lot of my clients learn to. It's like, I call it, an integrity misalignment, right? Like, they feel they feel like they're out of integrity with themselves, but they don't really know what needs to happen in order for that to change. There's like an incongruence between the outside and the inside. And what makes it worse is everybody outside is telling them like, well, you've got it so good in your life and your kids and everything is so great.

00;34;36;21 - 00;34;47;11
Lisa
And on the inside they're like cringing because that's not how they feel at all. And then on top of it, they've been told they should be grateful. So God forbid they want to like, change anything, right?

00;34;47;14 - 00;34;48;00
Rosie
So it can be.

00;34;48;00 - 00;35;02;27
Lisa
Really challenging stepping into purpose. And even, you know, I think that that plays a huge role in a lot of and wellness in the world is people aren't living on purpose. They don't know what it means to have joy and fulfillment in their lives.

00;35;03;00 - 00;35;23;20
Rosie
And I think what compounds it is a fact that we don't really talk about it. You know, with each other. It's not like, you see people really open up and vulnerable and saying, hey, I feel the same way too, because if we were all talking about it and really being honest about how we felt, then life would seem a bit, I think, less isolating.

00;35;23;20 - 00;35;25;11
Rosie
Meaning I think when we've.

00;35;25;11 - 00;35;48;25
Lisa
Got so much, people tie so much up in their like what they do, right? When you see someone, hi, my name is oh, what do you do not hey, what brings you joy in life? What's what makes you know? What did you do that filled your soul up this weekend? We don't ask those questions. So this causes us then to become attached to these identities of what we do is who we are.

00;35;48;28 - 00;36;09;05
Lisa
But what we do isn't who we are. It's just what we do. So I love what I do. You love what you do, but it's not who you are. It's not like that. Or of like, you know what makes you an amazing person on this planet. So I think that's a really huge part. And, you know, and watching people find that and then people can turn that into a job too, right?

00;36;09;05 - 00;36;17;24
Lisa
Like, what's my purpose? What's my purpose? I gotta find my purpose and like, or you could just go out and try and have fun in your life.

00;36;17;27 - 00;36;18;01
Rosie
And.

00;36;18;01 - 00;36;31;24
Lisa
Enjoy things a little bit more and like, what makes you feel happy. Can we start with that? Like, can you just read a book for fun instead of always? You know, I always like to unwind my clients from self-help books. I have to get them off the soul.

00;36;31;27 - 00;36;32;12
Rosie
Trail.

00;36;32;12 - 00;36;34;00
Lisa
Because then they get so attached.

00;36;34;00 - 00;36;35;09
Rosie
To the.

00;36;35;09 - 00;36;44;08
Lisa
Looking for the thing that's going to help them feel better because they've learned to, you know, I'll learn my way there, and we have to get to, like, sports, like, no, you got to actually get in your.

00;36;44;08 - 00;36;46;15
Rosie
Life to start.

00;36;46;17 - 00;36;48;10
Lisa
Writing some of the things you've learned.

00;36;48;13 - 00;36;48;22
Rosie
Okay.

00;36;48;22 - 00;36;49;24
Lisa
So then we have nothing.

00;36;49;25 - 00;36;53;00
Rosie
Because that's exactly where I was for not so okay. On the self-help.

00;36;53;00 - 00;37;22;09
Lisa
Tribe. Right. And we do like we have to get unhinged from that too. So I obviously I'm a coach. I'm here for personal growth and development. And there comes a time where we have to like, look at, are we trying to self-help ourselves to death, or are we actually, either working with somebody who can help to guide us or getting off the train altogether and saying, I'm going to take some time to embody what I've already learned, and I'm not going to absorb anything else for a while.

00;37;22;11 - 00;37;23;27
Lisa
There's a difference.

00;37;23;29 - 00;37;24;25
Rosie
Huge difference.

00;37;24;25 - 00;37;52;15
Lisa
Yeah, yeah, there's there's a really big there's a really big difference between, in my opinion, self-help or being like, how do I want to put this like you're doing the work with yourself versus doing the work with someone else. So there's a difference between self-hypnosis versus going to see someone specifically for something that I need their help, because I don't even really know what the subconscious block is there for me.

00;37;52;17 - 00;37;58;29
Lisa
But they're going to pick it up by listening to me versus me going, well, I'm going to guess that this is a thing. So there's room for both.

00;37;59;01 - 00;37;59;14
Rosie
But I.

00;37;59;14 - 00;38;06;14
Lisa
Know when I've crossed the line and I'm like, I'll actually need someone to help me with this because I'm getting in my own way now because, you.

00;38;06;14 - 00;38;16;25
Rosie
Know, that's what we do to be objective. But look at your life objectively and then yourself objective. You need someone else around bracket to point things out for you, right?

00;38;16;27 - 00;38;19;10
Lisa
Okay. So what was the l.

00;38;19;11 - 00;38;21;20
Rosie
L was letting go of unhelpful behavior.

00;38;21;22 - 00;38;23;25
Lisa
So favorite topic.

00;38;23;27 - 00;38;34;01
Rosie
Scrolling on Instagram or the perfectionism or the saying yes to everything, or the people pleasing all of these unhelpful behaviors that keep you stressed.

00;38;34;03 - 00;38;38;25
Lisa
Right. And why do people get attached to those things?

00;38;38;27 - 00;38;54;21
Rosie
It's just part of the identity. I think had a lot of cases. It's like, this is who I am. I am a people pleaser. I do things for other people. It makes me happy. But it doesn't really make people happy when it's done at the expense of looking after themselves. Yeah. Yeah. True.

00;38;54;23 - 00;38;59;25
Lisa
They're often, massive coping mechanisms as well that they've learned.

00;38;59;28 - 00;39;00;13
Rosie
Like.

00;39;00;16 - 00;39;17;09
Lisa
I'm going to do this so I don't have to feel uncomfortable. I'm going to scroll so I don't have to be present with myself. I'm going to make you happy. So I don't have to sit with my feelings of guilt over putting myself first. Because let's face it, I think, I think the younger generations at least this is what I like to tell myself with women.

00;39;17;11 - 00;39;21;27
Lisa
The younger generations are kind of like, I mean, they got the boundaries down.

00;39;22;00 - 00;39;22;09
Rosie
I don't know.

00;39;22;09 - 00;39;35;02
Lisa
About your kids, but my kids, I've got the boundary thing down. I'm like, man, I don't know if I like that. You know how to set boundaries, but each generation seems to be getting it a little bit quicker.

00;39;35;04 - 00;39;36;24
Rosie
Yeah.

00;39;36;26 - 00;39;56;20
Lisa
Yeah. Giving up kind of that martyrdom. But most of these things that we get into that we need to release were things that we learned when we were young, so we could cope with our environment so we could survive even if we weren't technically, like, at risk of death. Survival when your child can just look like love and belonging, right?

00;39;56;22 - 00;40;14;10
Rosie
Yes, yes, 100%. And it's really hard to let go of these behaviors that you've carried for a long, long time. Like breathing. Yeah. And even just to become aware of them, you know, it's like, oh, there's so much I've learned in the coaching program container that I'm in. I just didn't even realize the behaviors that I was doing.

00;40;14;12 - 00;40;40;22
Lisa
And that's the thing most people don't even know. There's another way. I know when I started my transformational journey, I literally sat in the room with my arms crossed across my chest like the defiant child, and I was like, you guys are all crazy. I literally thought everybody in the room was crazy, and I was the only one who had my shit together, and I got my ass handed to me because I was so unaware that there was another way to be in the world.

00;40;40;24 - 00;41;03;02
Lisa
Like, I literally thought that people that set boundaries were like the harshest bitchy people on the planet. I did not get it. But in not having any boundaries, I was constantly a doormat. But I got to tell myself I was such an awesome human right. I got to feel good about myself because I was doing everything for everybody else.

00;41;03;02 - 00;41;13;25
Lisa
So we can't even change these things until we start to create awareness around them. And usually it takes something happening in someone's life and often times it is like illness.

00;41;13;27 - 00;41;15;15
Rosie
Death.

00;41;15;17 - 00;41;31;14
Lisa
Something going on with your kid. Like, I mean, there's a whole host of ways that life beautifully hands us are our lessons for us to take a look and go, wow, I don't I don't need to do that. I mean, I think profound for women to realize that they get to say no.

00;41;31;17 - 00;41;45;23
Rosie
And I think you mentioned something to me not that long ago about boundaries being uncomfortable. Like, you can set boundaries and you can dislike it and it can be uncomfortable, but it's still sometimes necessary boundaries. And that really had enough for me.

00;41;45;24 - 00;41;57;16
Lisa
Yeah. And there's a lot of myths. There's a lot of misinformation about boundaries, what they are and what they aren't. Right. Because it's really boundaries aren't about the other person. It's about how we want to treat ourselves.

00;41;57;16 - 00;41;58;00
Rosie
The gift.

00;41;58;00 - 00;42;16;02
Lisa
That we're giving ourselves. And that can be hard for people pleasers to master because they want to believe, like, well, if I can just get them to be different, then this won't feel so hard for me. And it's not about the other person changing. It's actually all about you having to be in the discomfort of setting that boundary and then keeping the boundary.

00;42;16;02 - 00;42;32;20
Lisa
If they don't do the thing, you don't just get pissed off at them and say, they didn't. They didn't follow my boundary. No. What were you going to do to enforce the boundary? Like what were you going to leave? Were you going to like exit stage? Right. Where are you not going to bring the pie? Like what was the boundary that you set for yourself?

00;42;32;23 - 00;42;57;20
Lisa
And that is really, really hard for many people to understand in the beginning. So letting go, you know, we can talk about it like it's this easy thing. In my experience, letting go has been one of the most challenging practices, to get behind necessary. And I know you get this to necessary, but painful. And I'm stubborn, right?

00;42;57;20 - 00;43;00;05
Lisa
I get attached to things. I got attachments, stuff.

00;43;00;12 - 00;43;00;22
Rosie
I can be.

00;43;00;22 - 00;43;08;19
Lisa
Stubborn. And it takes me a long time to let go. Which is. You know why? I've just recently put out an episode about the process for me of letting go.

00;43;08;19 - 00;43;10;22
Rosie
And in order to.

00;43;10;25 - 00;43;16;26
Lisa
Hopefully support other people in finding their way. Okay, so that's the L. And then what it was the E.

00;43;16;28 - 00;43;39;26
Rosie
The E is enriching relationships because yes, we as humans are social creatures and we need others to thrive and survive and and and get by in this world. And I'm not just talking about people. I had a patient that came in, last week, and she has had anxiety and depression for a number of years, but has been really well for 15 years with her dog.

00;43;39;26 - 00;43;58;00
Rosie
And her dog passed away sadly. And six months later, she's still grieving. And now she's thinking like, I'm back on the antidepressants again. And it was her dog. And that relationship she had, you know, kept her so well and, Yeah. So it's it's it's it's connection with that that's.

00;43;58;03 - 00;44;08;12
Lisa
Interesting about grief to you, right? Because people don't like grief. It's a hard emotion to navigate. Right. And it goes through many stages. Anger, denial.

00;44;08;15 - 00;44;11;04
Rosie
You know.

00;44;11;07 - 00;44;22;05
Lisa
People don't like that feeling. And grief takes as long as grief takes. And it's your willingness to be with the grief and the waves and know it's going to, like, roll in and roll out. But I feel.

00;44;22;05 - 00;44;23;10
Rosie
That going.

00;44;23;12 - 00;44;40;15
Lisa
Around the connection piece, you know, I think Covid, we all kind of got a taste of that in our own little way. And when I was recently in San Sebastian, which was at the end of my trip in Spain, that was the only week I spent on my own, and I was excited about it.

00;44;40;18 - 00;44;43;17
Rosie
And it was the hardest week.

00;44;43;17 - 00;45;03;16
Lisa
And it was not because I was alone, because I actually like my own company. I'm quite happy to like, go out, take myself for lunch, all that kind of stuff. But what was fascinating was because I was in an Airbnb, so I didn't have like a front desk person. I didn't have like the, you know, the regular restaurant every morning where they kind of get to know you.

00;45;03;18 - 00;45;27;21
Lisa
I was in an Airbnb. I did not speak the language and nobody speaks English there. So even when I was out and about walking around, it was just noise. It's just noise around me. I couldn't understand what anybody was saying and I've never felt so isolated, so I have no problem being alone. But that feeling of like, wow, I'm surrounded by people, but I feel so isolated.

00;45;27;23 - 00;45;28;03
Rosie
Was.

00;45;28;08 - 00;45;37;21
Lisa
Really challenging for me. Like, by the time I was leaving for Madrid, there was a couple from Australia in line behind me speaking English and I was like.

00;45;37;23 - 00;45;39;14
Rosie
I'm going to make you my new best friend for.

00;45;39;14 - 00;45;57;22
Lisa
The next hour. Like I talk their ears off and I'm a total introvert. I don't like talking to strangers. It's just not my jam. But just to be able to have a conversation with a person in real life. And it made me realize that those micro interactions that we have every day, whether it's the person at the coffee shop.

00;45;57;24 - 00;45;59;02
Rosie
Or.

00;45;59;05 - 00;46;18;25
Lisa
The grocery store clerk who could speak like nobody could speak English to me, it was all like me and my Google translator on my phone. And that connection after, especially after I'd spent three weeks of deeply connecting with people like my soul was so full. The contrast was really powerful for me to witness.

00;46;18;27 - 00;46;20;04
Rosie
Some people don't.

00;46;20;04 - 00;46;41;22
Lisa
Truly understand the importance of that human interaction, so connection with ourselves and connection with other people is so important. Or your passion, whatever it may be, because we are going to have periods where things are going to happen, we're going to lose people or, you know, whatever. And we have to have those threads that pull us back to ourselves, that pull us.

00;46;41;24 - 00;46;45;28
Lisa
You're still you're still going to feel the grief if you're going through grief.

00;46;46;00 - 00;46;46;22
Rosie

00;46;46;24 - 00;46;56;15
Lisa
But it's so much I don't even want to use the word easier. It's more gentle to navigate grief when you've got people at your side.

00;46;56;17 - 00;47;00;24
Rosie
I'm with you. So I touch as wow. Touch is such.

00;47;00;25 - 00;47;01;15
Lisa
Oh my gosh.

00;47;01;15 - 00;47;07;12
Rosie
Yeah. And I feel like we're losing that in society right now. Yeah.

00;47;07;15 - 00;47;27;27
Lisa
We're kind of like that. You know, they say that we're the most connected generation ever, and at the same time, we're the most disconnected generation. Right? Like, you can be in your phone, you can connect to anybody. But even that, you know, comes with with problems because, you know, now we got I we just live in an artificial world if you want.

00;47;28;00 - 00;47;55;28
Lisa
It's crazy. And we cannot get away from things like human touch. And human connection is so important. So this is why I wanted to talk to you. Because you're doing such, amazing work in the world, you know? And I wanted to make sure that I was, like, shoving you in the direction of this. Because I truly believe that this, you know, to get back to our human roots, we need more of this and less of the pills and the powders and the potions, because those things don't actually fix anything.

00;47;55;28 - 00;48;22;22
Lisa
Sometimes they do, right? Like you will fix a broken leg. But I think more often than not, we're trying to avoid the symptoms that we're feeling because we just we don't have the right people surrounding us to help us create true wellness. So on that note, where can people find you if they want to reach out to you, have a conversation with you because you've got such a you know, I love that you've got this formal medical training.

00;48;22;25 - 00;48;23;12
Rosie
And you.

00;48;23;13 - 00;48;42;20
Lisa
Got this other side and you're, you know, your patients are going to benefit you. Just I get that you can't pull them together in the sense of in a practice, but you still get to bring your wisdom into any room that you walk into. And that is powerful. And we need more people like you out in the world.

00;48;42;22 - 00;48;54;11
Lisa
For people like me who are like, well, I still believe in this Western medicine. And can we? I want more of this over here, though, because I think this is actually better for me. So where can people find you?

00;48;54;13 - 00;49;16;03
Rosie
Yeah. So I'm on socials. They can find me Doctor Rosie Khan on Instagram or LinkedIn or my website. WWE Dot Doctor Rosie Cardinal Comm I would love it if people just reached out. Sent me a DM. Sent me an email via the website. I would love to have conversations and and yeah, and hopefully offer some half a value.

00;49;16;05 - 00;49;19;10
Lisa
Do you work online with people as well for your hypnotherapy?

00;49;19;10 - 00;49;34;07
Rosie
I work online mainly online, face to face for my local, clients. But yeah, online and hypnosis and coaching online work super well. Hypnosis. In some respects that works better because people are relaxed in their own environment. Yeah they are, it's true.

00;49;34;09 - 00;49;39;24
Lisa
Well, I appreciate you coming on the show. So I said we talk for about 30 minutes and it's been closer to 60.

00;49;39;24 - 00;49;43;07
Rosie
See it was easy. There you go. It was a great conversation.

00;49;43;07 - 00;50;03;28
Lisa
It was a great conversation. We will put all your information in the show notes. So anybody who wants to reach out to Doctor Rosie com please do so. And just Tiger on Instagram or tag me or let us know what you think of the episode. Any closing thoughts that you want to leave people with? Rosie?

00;50;04;00 - 00;50;20;22
Rosie
Just that, you know, in order to feel better, it doesn't have to be hard. It's actually pretty simple. You just need to make the decision and commit to doing a few simple acts daily, and you can feel a lot better very quickly. I just want people to know that it does.

00;50;20;22 - 00;50;31;04
Lisa
It can be that easy. It can be that easy. And when you surround yourself with the right people to support you, it gets even easier. So thank you so much for spending this time with me. I appreciate you coming on the podcast.

00;50;31;04 - 00;50;33;09
Rosie
Oh, and I thank you for having me, Lisa.

00;50;33;11 - 00;50;55;01
Lisa
So fun and see your kids didn't burst and nothing bad happened. It's all good. And so here's where I started the podcast and I said, I'll explain this later. There was a time in my life that there was no way on God's green earth would I ever get on to a call and talk to somebody who was a doctor, because they were way too smart and I was not?

00;50;55;03 - 00;51;17;28
Lisa
Right, and I was sharing that because we all tell ourselves stories about ourselves that keep us trapped and and unable to really step into who we are and that full realization of, you know, our human potential or what's possible for us. And all of it is just stories. Because at the end of the day, we are all just humans trying to do our best.

00;51;18;00 - 00;51;37;22
Lisa
There's a hierarchy, right? Like nobody wins if they've got more degrees, it doesn't matter. We just need to get out there and share our message and do what we do, because people are going to hear on this podcast things you said that they couldn't hear from me, but they'll hear it because of the resonance in your voice and in your message.

00;51;37;24 - 00;52;01;00
Lisa
And that's why it's so important that we have to just keep putting ourselves out there and doing things, because there's people waiting. Imagine if I've never gotten over my I'm not smart enough story. I've helped a lot of people around the world. And that's not to toot my own horn. Like, that's just data. That's just facts, right? So yeah, there's so much to wellness.

00;52;01;02 - 00;52;02;01
Rosie
Yeah. So in.

00;52;02;01 - 00;52;18;23
Lisa
Particular. So anyways, I just wanted to share that with you because I thought it was funny. I'm like, what time. And now I even have like I have clients that are like doctors and way more successful than me too. Like it's great. It's crazy. So we have yes. And we all just need to get out and share our messages.

00;52;18;26 - 00;52;21;00
Lisa
Thank you so much for being here.

00;52;21;02 - 00;52;22;03
Rosie
Thank you.

00;52;22;05 - 00;52;32;02
Lisa
So tune into the next episode and if you haven't laughed, if you haven't yet, please make sure you leave a rating and review on the show. It helps other listeners just like.

00;52;32;02 - 00;52;32;19
Rosie
You.

00;52;32;21 - 00;52;35;09
Lisa
Find us until our next episode.