EPISODE 298: Why Somatic Techniques Alone Can’t Heal Nervous System Dysregulation

Lisa Carpenter [00:00:02]:
Hey. Hey. And thanks for joining me for another episode of the Full Frontal Living podcast. I'm so glad you're here. And today I'm going to be talking about a subject that I'm, quite frankly, not an expert in. However, over the past two years, I have gotten a crash course in nervous system regulation and dysregulation and somatic therapies. And I am seeing so much garbage online, and I was actually talking to my therapist about this. So I wanted to record a podcast episode around this topic because here's the thing.

Lisa Carpenter [00:00:42]:
If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And if you are watching on, you know, Instagram or TikTok, if TikTok's even still a thing now, or Facebook, but all these different somatic practices to regulate your nervous system, but you're not exploring what's causing the dysregulation in the first place. You can do box breathing till the cows come home, and not much is going to change in your life. Right? So, again, it's like putting lipstick on a pig and trying to call it something other than a pig. So I wanted to talk about this a little bit because I. I think it's a bigger conversation that is worth having. So you probably know that I have a secret podcast called Sustainably Strong, and you can check that out at. I believe it's LisaCarpenter.

Lisa Carpenter [00:01:28]:
Ca. Wrong. I'll put. I'll make sure my team puts the link in the show notes because I often. I often give the wrong links and they go behind me and clean up things. And I recorded those episodes when I was really going through some major things happening in my life, which I've, you know, alluded to in previous episodes. And you can feel and you can hear the heaviness in my voice. And the reason that I recorded that series, because life was lifing me so hard, and I wanted to give you guys a tool that would support you, regardless of what is going on in your world, to take care of yourself.

Lisa Carpenter [00:02:08]:
The foundational pieces. And I'm so grateful that I've shown up for myself in the way that I have over, you know, more than two decades, taking care of myself, because that foundational health really carried me through a lot. And even with that foundation of health, my nervous system really took a beating. And. And I would say that that started happening back in 2020 because, like all of you, I lived through a global pandemic. It was very polarizing. Lots of different opinions. I've sat back now and watched the world Just try and pick sides for years over a multitude of things.

Lisa Carpenter [00:02:46]:
I don't think I've ever seen the world so polarized. And, you know, this morning just over breakfast, we had on like a 80s 90s playlist of slow Sunday morning songs. And I was thinking Back to like 1986 when it was expo here in Vancouver, and how, oh my God, how simple times were and just kind of longing for the simplicity that felt like life was back then. And I'm sure to my parents, maybe the 90s didn't feel so simple to them based on their lifestyle further back in time. But man, I just feel like the world has taken such a turn. And I just. Like I talked about in my previous episode, I trust that this, you know, what we're seeing in the world is happening on purpose so that bigger transformation can come to light. Whatever that's going to be for all of us.

Lisa Carpenter [00:03:41]:
But this. So I digress. Where am I even going with this thought? This is what happens quite often now, and this is why I wanted to talk about it. Because when things happen in our lives, our body responds and it's meant to. Our nervous system is meant to respond to stress, to trauma, to things that are happening in our world. But then our body is also meant to go back to a regulated state. So we have our sympathetic nervous system, which is our fight or flight response. And it's actually fight, flight, freeze or fawn.

Lisa Carpenter [00:04:21]:
And quite often so many of my clients are in like a functional freeze and they don't even realize it. So they're going through the motions of life, but they don't realize that their nervous system is like, set in like high gear. So I'm going to talk about that a little bit. And then we have our parasympathetic. Parasympathetic nervous system, which is our rest and digest. And that's our regulated state. That's where we want to get back to. But so often we're getting caught and stuck in this pattern of fight, flight, freeze.

Lisa Carpenter [00:04:46]:
We're always operating at this high level. Our. Our body is kind of offline from chronic stress from trauma in our past, you know, childhood trauma. And it doesn't even need to be like something big and bad happened. It can be childhood, some small t. Childhood trauma could be, you know, your mom didn't buy you something at the mall one day and your child self, who didn't have any lens to filter things through, took that as not being loved. I think I recorded an episode back on the podcast, like, way, way back. This memory of my mom not buying me a cabbage patch when I was little and making that mean that she must not really love me.

Lisa Carpenter [00:05:29]:
And I think I carried that around on an unconscious level for years and years and years. So. So these little t traumas or like pin pricks in your psyche, so to speak, can really impact and influence your nervous system. And this, these little, these how your body is responding in the world, these stories that you're carrying around, it can come from an unregulated nervous system, can come from not having any boundaries, so being a real pleaser and constantly wanting to make everybody else happy and putting yourself at the bottom of your to do list. A lot of dysregulated nervous system or being in that fight or flight response comes from unprocessed emotions. So most of us did not learn how to feel our feelings. We have emotional reactions, but then we don't know what to do with them. We don't have a healthy way of being with them.

Lisa Carpenter [00:06:23]:
We're very, most people are very emotionally immature. So we get into patterns of behavior like procrastination, perfectionism, mindless scrolling, drinking, overeating. You know, how many times have you put a million things in a shopping cart on Amazon and then abandoned your cart? Not feeling good enough, chasing accomplishments. These are some of the things that so many of my clients get into. Approval seeking, high and over functioning, overthinking, worry. All of these type of behaviors are often masking feelings that we don't want to feel, but we don't have the tools to know how to express our emotions in a healthy way. And for many of my clients, they learned that having feelings was a waste of time, to put it bluntly, because accomplishing things that meant something. But feeling your feelings, what was, what was important about that? Like get over it.

Lisa Carpenter [00:07:21]:
How many times were you told to get over it or suck it up or just, you know, stop being so dramatic or you're being too much. So many women hear that you're being too much. So unprocessed emotions. When we can't express our emotions, that emotion is energy in motion. If we can't express our emotions, those emotions get trapped in our bodies and create stress inside our bodies, which then means our nervous system is constantly trying to hold it together for us, so to speak. We also have lifestyle factors. If you are not taking care of yourself, if you are not getting enough sleep, if you are not eating healthy, if you're not getting outside and moving your body, if you're not staying hydrated, we're talking the Basics of the basics. Those things can play into your nervous system being dysregulated, because how can your body show up for you 100% if you're not showing up and taking care of your body? So often when I used to work in weight loss, women would tell me that they felt like their bodies had let them down.

Lisa Carpenter [00:08:24]:
And I would flip it to say, well, how often are you letting your body down? If your body was a person and you were never feeding it, showing it, love, hydrating it, taking it out to walk like you treat your dog, often better than you're treating your body. So of course your nervous system is going to become dysregulated because your body's job is to create this state of homeostasis. Your body's job is to keep you alive. And it's just doing what it's been programmed to do. It's a really amazing piece of machinery that we completely, for most of us, completely take a deep, not advantage of. What's the word I'm looking for? We just don't appreciate it. We don't appreciate how amazing it is. We take it for.

Lisa Carpenter [00:09:14]:
For granted. That's the word that I'm looking for. And then, of course, relationships can cause a tremendous amount of disregulation. I mean, you want to see how people respond to their feelings in an unhealthy way, Just go to a family event. I mean, families are just such a playground for seeing what kind of triggers you have. So we can get into codependent relationships where we are, you know, in unhealthy attachment behaviors. And again, we can get into pleasing and caretaking and all these things. And oftentimes people are in toxic relationships, which of course, is going to be completely dysregulating to your nervous system.

Lisa Carpenter [00:09:54]:
So if you have grown up in a family where addiction was present, even if you think you grew up in a safe and stable environment, you did not. You've normalized it as being safe and stable because that's all you knew. But you cannot be in a regulated state if addiction is in your household. It's just not possible because addiction is dysregulation. Addiction is trying to get away from feelings. How can I feel better? How can I numb this out? Addiction is all about moving away from how you're feeling in an attempt to make yourself feel better. And of course, it's going to take your body's entire nervous system offline so we can look about. We can look at things like ice baths and meditation and yoga and box breathing and Reading self help books and candle gazing.

Lisa Carpenter [00:10:53]:
Like there's a gazillion different tools out there, Somatic tools to help you get back in your body. Rocking, shaking. I mean, I could give you a million different tools, but if you're using these tools but you're not actively looking at what created the dysregulation in the first place, you're going to continue to slap lipstick on a pig. I don't know how else to say it. So we're getting caught in these hacks again, right? Hack, hack your way to health. And there is no shortcut to becoming regulated and feeling safe in your body. So dysregulation from my interpretation, and again, I'm no expert on this, but I will tell you that as human beings, we are always seeking love, safety and belonging. And we can become dysregulated at a really young age.

Lisa Carpenter [00:11:48]:
So you think between the ages of 0 to 10, we're like little sponges. We don't have filters to kind of go, wait a minute, what if that's not true? We just take everything on, everything. We're constantly looking for the to lay those foundations of love, safety and belonging. And so many of us don't feel loved. And it's not that we weren't loved, but we have moments where we don't feel loved. We have moments where we didn't feel like we belonged. And oftentimes we have moments where we don't feel safe, which could turn into, as you get older, being hypervigilant, fear of being judged, and like I said, getting into this constant pattern of having your brain offline. So when everything happened for me in 2023, it was really hard.

Lisa Carpenter [00:12:43]:
It was very, very hard because I experienced firsthand what it looked like for my nervous system to go completely offline. And it didn't matter what tools I used. And even though I had all the foundational work underneath me, I had to go deeper. I had to go deeper because my body was stuck in this functional freeze to the extent that I would hold my breath. And I didn't even realize I was holding my breath. And of course I picked a sport. I'm a bodybuilder, if you don't know. I'm the smallest bodybuilder probably on the planet.

Lisa Carpenter [00:13:16]:
But I'm a natural bodybuilder. So my sport mimics the nervous system pattern that I was caught in, which is functional, a functional freeze. So it's easy for me to get into overdoing, although I did not do that this time. But for Many of my clients, they get to be chronic overdoers. They. They get busy. They get to work as a way to get moving. But then in their effort to get busy, they're also stuck in massive procrastination, severe brain fog, and an inability to make decisions, which was hard.

Lisa Carpenter [00:13:55]:
I was finding I was losing my words, and it felt like I had ADHD turned up to, like, volume 20. Now, in all fairness, I probably had ADHD all my life, and I've been able to manage it, but when your nervous system is offline, those symptoms get exacerbated, and it was crippling for me. I was pretty much useless to my team. Beyond being able to coach my clients, I was always able to drop into the pocket of coaching my clients. However, when I was coaching big groups, I was really struggling to find my words. And even now, in recording this podcast, I used to be able to record my podcast without any notes. I could just riff. I could remember what I said five minutes ago.

Lisa Carpenter [00:14:43]:
And now I have to have some notes in front of me. Otherwise my brain. Brain goes off into a different direction, and I'm like, where. Where did I just go? I need you to. I need you to come back. And it's been really frustrating. It's really challenged my identity because I've always seen myself as someone being so sharp and so on the ball, and I can see patterns and. And I still do.

Lisa Carpenter [00:15:07]:
But the. The slowness of things clicking over for me was really, really challenging, and I had to get a tremendous amount of support to help my body regulate itself again. I wasn't able to do it on my own. I actually needed support of practitioners to help me because I didn't even feel that I was in functional freeze until Molina, my therapist, was able to get me to connect back into my body. And the truth is, I've probably been dysregulated for most of my life. So even though I was taking amazing care of myself, I didn't realize my nervous system was offline. So over the years of work that I'd done, I definitely lowered it back down to a more normal level. But I probably never got to an actual, like, what it feels like to be regulated.

Lisa Carpenter [00:15:57]:
And I know this because when I look back on my life, I still struggle to sit still. I still struggled to be present. And this was before things started happening in 2020. She would ask me to sit on the ground and, like, play cars with my kid. I mean, that was torturous for me. It's taken me years to be able to just Sit and be in silence. Very hard for me. So I have all this evidence that my.

Lisa Carpenter [00:16:25]:
That my nervous system had been offline for a long time. So when everything happened in 2023, and really starting in 2020, it just turned up the volume on everything, so things got even harder. But unlike most people, I didn't just medicate myself for it again, because that's just putting the lipstick back on the pig. I wanted to be responsible for how I could help heal my body and get my nervous system back online. So I wanted to give you some signs of a dysregulated nervous system so that you can check in with yourself, see what might be going on for you. And again, I'm not poo pooing on any of these tools there. I love that we're talking about this in mainstream now. I love that we are talking about the experiences that people have had throughout their lives, whether it's, you know, between 0 to 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 40, whatever it is.

Lisa Carpenter [00:17:17]:
But we're talking about how experiences that we've had have impacted us on a deep level and our body remembers. But. But giving people tools but not going deeper on the conversation and saying, yeah, but what's at the root of what caused this? Because when we can clear the root ca of what's causing your nervous system to become dysregulated in the first place, that's when you find true peace and freedom. And that's a lot of the work that I do with my clients. So I support them in helping them regulate their nervous system. We do a lot of work around what they need to do to take care of themselves, to move from a place of calm, feeling calm, instead of calm, feeling chaotic. So for most of my clients, like sitting still, being calm, just resting feels unsafe for them. So we do a lot of work around this, but we also have to clear the stories and beliefs that have been causing their system to be dysregulated.

Lisa Carpenter [00:18:20]:
That's causing it to constantly go offline. This is why, like, you can take a million vacations and still be suffering from the same behaviors that you were before vacation. This is why stuff doesn't go away. This is why you can meditate, and two hours later, your head is spinning all over the place because you gave yourself that minor reprieve. But we haven't actually cleared the thing that is causing you to go. Your nervous system to go offline. So some. Some symptoms that I want you to be on the lookout for and start to question.

Lisa Carpenter [00:18:50]:
So chronic fatigue, headaches, muscle Tension, digestive issues. Your body is always, always, always, always, always talking to you. Your body holds all the wisdom that you need to find your way in this world. But so often we're so disconnected from our bodies, we just look at these things as problems instead of asking ourselves, what if My body's trying to tell me something, what is going on here for me? Okay, so chronic fatigue, headaches, muscle tension, digestive issues. So we hear a lot of talk about adrenal fatigue, burnout. These things don't happen accidentally. So if you're constantly busy doing all the things, can't slow down, can't stop, can't rest, what belief is causing you to behave in that way? Because you weren't put on this planet to be a human doing. You're put here to be a human being.

Lisa Carpenter [00:19:44]:
So I'm all for accomplishment and big, audacious goals. I love those things as well. But I can look back on my life, and I've done episodes on this. So much of that drive and ambition was coming from an unhealthy place. That part of me that wanted to prove to myself, prove to the world that I was good enough, not even realizing that my worthiness was never on the table. Okay, some other symptoms that you might experience. Anxiety, depression, irritability, not being able to manage your emotions. So being reactive to things, like you're constantly blowing up at your kids, or you're trying to control every situation, or if somebody doesn't do what you want them to do, you're all pissed off about it.

Lisa Carpenter [00:20:23]:
You're ruminating about things that happened, you know, a week ago, or you're obsessing about what might happen in the future. So you're living your life with this worry and stress and reactions to everything, like, why did he cut me off in traffic? Why didn't they just do this when I asked them to? Whatever it could be for you, right? Exploding at your kids, having an argument with your husband simply because he left his dish in the sink. Like, is that really anything to lose your about? So really feeling like you are struggling to manage your emotions, maybe you're breaking down in tears all the time. So lots of clients come to me and they say, well, I'm not an angry person. What I say to them is, unless you're a cyborg, you can experience anger. It's on the spectrum of emotions. But some of my clients default more into sadness than they do into anger because they struggle with understanding that anger can be a healthy emotion. They weren't taught that they saw anger as something very, very unsafe growing up probably.

Lisa Carpenter [00:21:25]:
And so they will default into sadness over anger. So behavioral patterns, I've already talked about a lot of these. Overworking, getting into numbing behaviors like overeating, drinking, drugs, shopping, doom scrolling and having a hard time relaxing because like I said, we should all be able to just like power down. I would also throw things in there like perfectionism and procrastination. Those are also behaviors that we get into. Or like I said, approval seeking, chasing accomplishments, all of those type of things. Pleasing. Oh, there's, there's so many, there's so many things that, that I see my clients get into and control is, is a really big one.

Lisa Carpenter [00:22:11]:
Overthinking, being very critical and hard on themselves. So these con, you know, constant critical voices that are running in their minds were not meant to live that way. We're just not, we're meant to be at peace within our bodies and in our world. And some cognitive signs, brain fog, difficulty concentrating. And I just talked about this one. Negative thought loops. So for me, the brain fog was debilitating. Debilitating.

Lisa Carpenter [00:22:41]:
It was so frustrating not being able to find my words. It was so frustrating being on a coaching call and knowing that I couldn't access the thought or the memory that I wanted to get to and feeling like I was losing my edge. Like was starting to think like, do I have early onset Alzheimer's? It was that bad. Now if I was looking at this with a client, I would first start with lifestyle factors because your, your nutrition, your sleep, all of those things play into brain fog as well. But for me, all of that was on point. I was ticking all the boxes in terms of foundational self care, like handled. But it was. I could not get my brain to come back online.

Lisa Carpenter [00:23:21]:
And it was because my body was still in this place of not feeling safe. If something happens, what if the, the next shoe drops? So if you're living your life kind of, you know, you're a little bit of that hypervigilant person, that is a sure sign that your nervous system is offline. So let's talk about long term effects of being dysregulated. So again, meditate till the cows come home. You can do yoga till the cows come home. You can box, breathe and candle gaze till the cows come home. But if you are not willing to be responsible for going deeper into what's creating your nervous system to be dysregulated in the first place, these are some of the long term effects you can expect. And that sucks.

Lisa Carpenter [00:24:04]:
I want all of My listeners to be healthy and well because your health is the only thing that matters. The only thing that matters. It's going to determine your quality of life on this planet. And I want you to be here and being able to enjoy all the things you want to enjoy. So the truth of the matter is if you are dysregulated, you are at a higher risk of disease. So if you break down disease, dis ease, dis ease in the body. Autoimmune disorders, chronic and chronic pain conditions. And we're seeing more and more of this coming up.

Lisa Carpenter [00:24:40]:
I see it online all the time. Why? What's causing that to happen? Look around at our world. Like I said at the beginning of this episode, it's so polarizing and most of us don't know how to be with our emotions. Most of us are disconnected from ourselves, disconnected from our bodies. Not dealing with our, you know, environment, our lifestyle, our boundary issues, our little T or maybe big T traumas from our past. And the chronic stress in our lives. Whether it's, you know, financial or just, you know, the kids and all the stuff that they have to do, not asking for help. I mean there's a million things that cause that.

Lisa Carpenter [00:25:18]:
But this is what your looking at long term. So when things, when things, hopefully it doesn't come around again. But when something like Covid comes around. Why are so many people getting sick? Well, if their bodies are not well, because they're running chronic stress and your nervous system is offline, your immune system is already compromised and most people don't understand that. So it's your job. You get to be responsible for your beautiful body and your beautiful life. And when you take care of your nervous system, when you take care of being responsible for the things that have happened in your life and clearing those stories and beliefs, you will create longevity for yourself and better health. That's just, that's science.

Lisa Carpenter [00:26:12]:
That is, that is just science. Okay? Your mental well being over the long term will suffer. You will constantly going, be going through cycles of burnout and thinking you can just fix the burnout with rest. But again, rest is just one of those strategies that without looking at what's causing you to create the burnout pattern over and over and over again. You can rest till the cows come home until you rest permanently and you leave the planet. Anxiety, this is a big one that we're seeing especially in our youth, chronic anxiety. That, that, that it's almost a hyper vigilant feeling all the time. Who wants to live with that? And then depression and now what we're doing is we're medicating the anxiety and the depression.

Lisa Carpenter [00:27:00]:
More lipstick on the pig. Instead of saying, well, what is creating this chronic anxiety? What is creating this depression? Because I truly believe that our bodies are designed to heal. Our bodies are designed to be an optimal state. Our bodies are to be in a state of homeostasis, balance. They're wired that way. That's why they're constantly adapting to the stress and things that happen in our world. Like I said, our nervous system is meant to respond to stressors. And then when the stressor leaves, we're supposed to go back to homeostasis.

Lisa Carpenter [00:27:34]:
But when we're constantly in this hyper, right, hyper responsive place, our nervous system never gets a chance to go back to normal. And now it starts getting patterned into staying in this place where it's constantly on offline and the volume keeps getting turned up and up and up. And then something big happens in your life and it almost shuts you down. And this is what I was experiencing. So you're also going to experience in your relationship struggles with intimacy, trust. And you won't be able to be emotionally available because you're not emotionally available to yourself. So how can you have connected relationships with other people? How can you create that level of intimacy? Because if you look at the word intimacy into me, I see. But if we're dysregulated, we're not connected with ourselves.

Lisa Carpenter [00:28:24]:
You're not looking inside. And that's a big part of this work. Beyond the box breathing is who are you? Who are you underneath all these stories? And if you stop looking at, see what happens is we look at the problem. The problem is money. The problem is I don't have enough clients. The problem is my weight, my. The problem is my relationship. We look at that as the problem.

Lisa Carpenter [00:28:48]:
But I promise you, 100% of the time the problem is you and the stories and beliefs that you're running under the surface that is creating your reality. And when you become 100% responsible for yourself and you do this deeper work, that is when your life will change, hands down, guaranteed. So I can't guarantee you specific results, but I will guarantee you that your life will change. You will not be the same person on the other side of doing this deeper exploratory work where you create awareness and acceptance of these patterns and then you start to take different actions to create new neural pathways and new habits and new behaviors and new ways of being in the world. As somebody who used to be a chronic pleaser, I would even lie so that I wouldn't get in trouble. That's not how I roll anymore. Now, I'm very powerful at setting boundaries, and you can be, too. So we've talked about different nervous system techniques that you can use.

Lisa Carpenter [00:29:59]:
And again, I want you to go back and listen to the episode I did with Molina, my therapist, episode 271, so that you can hear her take, because she really is the expert on nervous system regulation and what is actually going on in your body. For the purpose of this podcast, it's really to educate you on allowing yourself to be curious about what you're avoiding, the work you're avoiding doing. Because in most cases, we are all looking for the quick fix. We want to get from point A to point B, and point B is to just feel better. So we keep finding these hacks and these short strategies to feel better, and we keep feeling worse. And I am here to support you in doing the real work that has to happen so that you can feel better consistently because your life has now changed. You're not carrying around these burdens that have been throwing your body off track for years. And in fact, looking at my own life, I think I probably came into the world dysregulated.

Lisa Carpenter [00:31:11]:
I mean, my mom told me the craziest story of, you know, something that happened to her just, like, weeks before I was born, which would have put my mom into a massive stress response. She was approached by a bear. Kind of a funny story. But you imagine the adrenaline and cortisol and all of the stress hormones that would have flooded her body and in turn flooded mine. That. That of course, impacted me. So it's not my mom's fault. Like, I'm not saying that, but I probably came into the world a little bit dysregulated.

Lisa Carpenter [00:31:49]:
And whether or not I was able to connect and regulate. So that is the other thing. When we come into this world, we rely on our parents to co regulate with us. And I can tell you that, you know, I can look back on being a mom, and there are a lot of things that when my older boys were younger, I could have done way better. But one of the things that I do know for sure is that I really struggled to be a parent. And I've been very open and honest about this. And I was unregulated, dysregulated more often than not. So we cannot help somebody else regulate their nervous system if we're dysregulated, because we're always picking up other people's energies.

Lisa Carpenter [00:32:31]:
And I think many of us Grew up in families where our parents didn't have regulated nervous systems. Because it's only now that people are starting to lean into this work and self development is, you know, it's mainstream. Whereas back in the day, if you were going to therapy, there was something wrong with you and you certainly didn't tell anybody you were going to therapy. Whereas now we're really taking self help or getting help or getting support. We take that very seriously, yet we're still seeing people struggling. So this is what I wanted to dive into today. Just a different take on nervous system regulation. What you can and cannot be responsible for.

Lisa Carpenter [00:33:12]:
The bigger picture that I would love for you to explore and look at. So again, I'm not poo pooing on any of these techniques. You know, from breath work to grounding to movement to connection, sleep. Like, these are all things that I talk about that are so, so important in the work that I do with my clients. And we have to go deeper. You have to go deeper if you really want to heal. So it's taken me more than two years now to get myself kind of back online. I still have days where I struggle with brain fog.

Lisa Carpenter [00:33:47]:
I still have days where I struggle with focus. I'm still working through this myself, so I certainly haven't mastered it at all. But my body is responding. I'm not in this functional freeze anymore. I've softened and I'm healing energetically, physically, mentally, emotionally. And I feel better than I have in years. And it's because I didn't just do this, do the, you know, easy things to make me feel better. I also did the hard work around having the conversations that I needed to have, feeling the feelings that I didn't usually want to feel, that I walked.

Lisa Carpenter [00:34:28]:
I walked into them. I walked into the pain so that I could free myself from the pain. Because when we avoid things, that's what keeps us trapped. So lots of information in this episode for you. I hope that it was supportive for you. I would love to hear your feedback on it, your takeaways, any aha moments that you had. So make sure you hop over to my DMs on Instagram. That's the easiest place to find me or send me an email.

Lisa Carpenter [00:34:56]:
We'll put my email link down below. So, and if it. If it helped you and you believe it can help someone else, then by all means, please share the podcast. And if you haven't subscribed yet, please subscribe because we've got lots of very interesting episodes coming out and a lot of them Just like this, where I am going back old school, my kind of old school where I just sit down and riff and trust that you're going to get the message that you need out of something that I said. And even if I'm losing my words or losing my train of thought, there's still going to be tremendous value for you here. And for me, honestly, if I can be really honest with you, it's healing for me to just sit down and say, Lisa, just go do the thing, just say the things, don't judge yourself and trust that it's going to be fine. Because when you get knocked sideways by life, when life lifes you hard, when you Finding your way back to trusting yourself Finding my way back to trusting myself has been a journey and this podcast is playing a role in my healing and just giving myself permission to do what I do and do it imperfectly. And yeah, that's where I'm at.

Lisa Carpenter [00:36:10]:
So I want to continue to share as honestly and openly as I can with you because I truly believe that when I share my stories, it helps other women who are very similar to me connect in with themselves. And I am here to bring deeper connection to the world, deeper connection to yourself. Because you know, when women truly step into being responsible for their emotional well being, their physical well being, their spiritual well being, and we can change the planet. I truly believe that. But we've got to handle this. We've got to take a deeper look at ourselves and really be responsible for healing those parts of ourselves that we've probably been avoiding most of our lives. So on that note, thanks for tuning in and I will catch you on the next episode.